Never too early 2020 NFL Draft Thread

[GB-Brandon]

I don't want another Michigan reject. Pass on People dude.

I"m ok with most of the other top WR's. I saw somebody mock Pittman to us at 30; yuk there

If the WR's go like crazy, and they might. One of the Big 3 ILB's might fall right into our lap

than we move up in round two and still get a WR around 45 to 50

Don’t like it at all. I see people comparing him to Courtland Sutton and it’s not there.

[GB-Brandon]

I believe Aiyuk is the “Value Spot” with Mimms and Reagor being off board by time Packers pick. I see the drop off after Aiyuk. Whether they think they can trade back and still get Aiyuk is the big question.

https://youtu.be/ApNCewXmEHk

[Deputy Nutz]

Here is my prediction,

I think 5 receivers will be drafted in the first round. If I am wrong and a run goes on receiver the Packers should swim away from the current and look at the defensive players dropping.

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https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles...nfl-draft-2020
Side note, I read a good article about offensive tackle last night. It basically said not to chase the high ceiling, ultra athletic developmental tackle early in the draft. Article said these guys aren't developed real well in college that because they have really good athletic traits colleges rush them to play and not build them up first.

[Deputy Nutz]

https://madison.com/wsj/sports/footb...d9de9464a.html


I am all for having a deep secondary and restocking the back end of the defense, but this article points out how the Packers front office has screwed up royally drafting the secondary position. Yuckers.

[HarveyWallbangers]

https://madison.com/wsj/sports/footb...d9de9464a.html


I am all for having a deep secondary and restocking the back end of the defense, but this article points out how the Packers front office has screwed up royally drafting the secondary position. Yuckers.

Mainly the DBs that were drafted in Thompson's final years. I love the Alexander and Savage picks. People were high on Jackson and thought we got a steal, but I wasn't as high on him. There were legit questions about Jackson's speed (although his other testing numbers were good). So far, his lack of speed hasn't allowed him to utilize his strength (ball skills). In the second round he wasn't a terrible gamble. His ball skills were elite in college.

[run pMc]

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https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles...nfl-draft-2020

Side note, I read a good article about offensive tackle last night. It basically said not to chase the high ceiling, ultra athletic developmental tackle early in the draft. Article said these guys aren't developed real well in college that because they have really good athletic traits colleges rush them to play and not build them up first.

The Ezra Clevelands of college football are intriguing but ultimately scary in a Jason Spriggs/Allen Barbre kind of way. If they are going to draft a project, it shouldn't be until R3 at the soonest, and even that feels like a risk. With few exceptions, a player picked inside the top 100 should be expected to play a double digit percentage of snaps (if you include ST) in season 1 IMO.

[GB-Brandon]

https://madison.com/wsj/sports/footb...d9de9464a.html


I am all for having a deep secondary and restocking the back end of the defense, but this article points out how the Packers front office has screwed up royally drafting the secondary position. Yuckers.

IMO, the “DB Debacle” is the number one reason our offense is in the current state that it is.

First of all it makes zero sense to me to build a defense back to front. Secondly, the new rules in the NFL make it almost impossible to cover other teams without substantial pass rush. Without pass rush it doesn’t matter who you have back there for the most part.

[pbmax]

IMO, the “DB Debacle” is the number one reason our offense is in the current state that it is.

First of all it makes zero sense to me to build a defense back to front. Secondly, the new rules in the NFL make it almost impossible to cover other teams without substantial pass rush. Without pass rush it doesn’t matter who you have back there for the most part.

There is a growing body of work that secondary play is more vital to pass defense than generally thought. Pass rush will only get you so far and you need a good backend to make it stick all game long.

But for the Packers, mainly this is a function of losing players (Collins) and never correctly addressing talent on hand (Hyde, Hayward) and then finding yourself in a position of need at a critical spot. Hence the multiple attempts drafting multiple secondary players. They've been behind the eight ball in the D backfield for most of this decade.

They have done the same thing at receiver more recently, though they are far more willing to pay their own there which helped.

You never want to have to desperately draft for need and you certainly don't want to do it multiple times. Its the case where better communication with the D coaches and a more liberal approach to FA would have helped.

[GB-Brandon]

There is a growing body of work that secondary play is more vital to pass defense than generally thought. Pass rush will only get you so far and you need a good backend to make it stick all game long.

But for the Packers, mainly this is a function of losing players (Collins) and never correctly addressing talent on hand (Hyde, Hayward) and then finding yourself in a position of need at a critical spot. Hence the multiple attempts drafting multiple secondary players. They've been behind the eight ball in the D backfield for most of this decade.

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have done the same thing at receiver more recently, though they are far more willing to pay their own there which helped.

You never want to have to desperately draft for need and you certainly don't want to do it multiple times. Its the case where better communication with the D coaches and a more liberal approach to FA would have helped.

I agree but I feel that Packers drafted for “Need” over over again with DB’s and then pumped all these picks into a flawed system.

A lot of these DB picks over the last several years were “reaches” to me. I’m not certain they were “the best player available”. I was never excited about any of them except Alexander. They were the type of draft picks that you had to spend hours selling Yourself on. Some were even “head scratchers” like Rollins.

Collins is one of my fav all-time Packers. His career ending injury proved to be devastating as it took years to sort of replace him.

J. Finley was another one that hurt on the offensive end. I felt he had finally developed and came into his own when he got hurt.

More messes that AR12 had to clean up and now some people want to move on from Rodgers. It’s just crazy to me. The reality is we had a player so gifted(AR12) that they could make all these mistakes building the roster successfully and still have somewhat successful seasons. Now it’s being exposed.

This whole thing has been propped up by back to back HOF Quarterbacks. Good luck getting 3 in a row.

[GB-Brandon]

I will never understand the premise of getting a HOF and surrounding him with a bunch of DB’s.

“NEVER LEAVE THE GAME IN THE HANDS OF DB’S!!!!!!!”

[pbmax]

I will never understand the premise of getting a HOF and surrounding him with a bunch of DB’s.

“NEVER LEAVE THE GAME IN THE HANDS OF DB’S!!!!!!!”

It was actually short term thinking, but about the draft and not Ted's former approach. Gute showed what you can do drafting for value with LEEEroy Jenkins.

Everyone thought Ted was always thinking long term, but he was, in his own way. in a win now mode and it cost them.

[call_me_ishmael]

https://twitter.com/JayGlazer/status/1252692108458131457

Gronk coming back! Time to try to steal OJ Howard for a 4th. I'd rather have Howard than Cephus!

[GB-Brandon]

It was actually short term thinking, but about the draft and not Ted's former approach. Gute showed what you can do drafting for value with LEEEroy Jenkins.

Everyone thought Ted was always thinking long term, but he was, in his own way. in a win now mode and it cost them.

Well see what Gute does this draft. Overall I’m happy with the rebuild of the defense other then the Gary pick. If offensive firepower is ignored other then a couple late round fliers I will be thoroughly disappointed.

We’re way way overdue for some firepower on offense so people can call it a “NEED” etc etc. or whatever they want. Every year it’s the same thing and it feels like there is this “obsession” with yet adding even more premium resources to the defense. The ROI(return on investment) does not add up. “I’m SELLING”. It’s time add some premium talent to help Rodgers out as he nears the end of his career. It’s become our only chance. There is no more “NEXT YEAR”. That was used up about three drafts ago.

[run pMc]

https://twitter.com/JayGlazer/status...92108458131457

Gronk coming back! Time to try to steal OJ Howard for a 4th. I'd rather have Howard than Cephus!

I'd give up a R4 for Howard. I'd rather have Howard than Tonyan, and most of the TE prospects in the draft are not inspiring (although I like Deguiera out of Cincinnati as a TE/H-back type).

[run pMc]

Well see what Gute does this draft. Overall I’m happy with the rebuild of the defense other then the Gary pick. If offensive firepower is ignored other then a couple late round fliers I will be thoroughly disappointed.

We’re way way overdue for some firepower on offense so people can call it a “NEED” etc etc. or whatever they want. Every year it’s the same thing and it feels like there is this “obsession” with yet adding even more premium resources to the defense. The ROI(return on investment) does not add up. “I’m SELLING”. It’s time add some premium talent to help Rodgers out as he nears the end of his career. It’s become our only chance. There is no more “NEXT YEAR”. That was used up about three drafts ago.

Agree they are overdue for offensive skill players. Without Jones and Adams they don't have much help for Rodgers. It wouldn't hurt for them -- and I would be concerned if Gute didn't -- to think down the road to what their WR room will look like in 2 seasons, when Adams is 29 going on 30 and wants to retire a Packer with a juicy 4 year contract.

One thing's for sure -- they need WR's and this is supposed to be a fantastic year for them in the draft.