Official Black Monday Thread

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Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
#Chiefs OC Eric Bieniemy is scheduled to interview with the #Panthers for their head-coaching job on Thursday and he’ll meet with the #Giants on Saturday, source said. He also has a request from the #Browns. A busy man during the bye week.

[call_me_ishmael]

Not necessarily. Eliot Wolf is still there.

I think M3 will say "no thanks" and smartly avoid the dumpster fire. It's just not worth it since we all know how it's going to end with Jimmy Haslem. Here's the new boss, same as the old boss.

If I'm M3, I send my record and tapes vs the Cowboys to Jerry

[call_me_ishmael]

I don't know in what Reality the Cowboys job is marquee with Jerrah with his fingers everywhere they shouldn't be.

They haven't won the Owl in 20+ years, in no small part due to Jerrah.

Not so sure I agree. Where do you see Jerrah meddling? Normally with meddling owners you end up with rosters devoid of talent. That hasn't been the case in Big D. The roster has generally been good, my impression is they were never bad enough to land a stud QB and always good enough to not move on from their average QB.

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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet

The job title for Paul DePodesta — #Browns chief strategy officer — has not changed, but after a few days of mixed messages to candidates from the organization, DePodesta is now the one running the head coach hiring process for the Haslams, source said. Should be more directed.


Interesting. Probably an obstacle to hiring established HCs as they are going to want to know what DePo's responsibilities are going forward. Is he really President or Exec VP of Football Operations? Or is he just the one posting the job on the NFL's BBS?

[George Cumby]

Not so sure I agree. Where do you see Jerrah meddling? Normally with meddling owners you end up with rosters devoid of talent. That hasn't been the case in Big D. The roster has generally been good, my impression is they were never bad enough to land a stud QB and always good enough to not move on from their average QB.

Somehow we are seeing totally different things, other than the quality of the roster. I perceive Jerry interacting with the media above and beyond any other owner, he's on the sidelines. I see him dictating team philosophy, etc. The team is his, not the HC's. He's the ultimate authority, not the HC and the players know it. Hard for the HC to maintain discipline under those conditions.

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Mary Kay Cabot @MaryKayCabot
Ex #Packers coach Mike McCarthy is the #Browns 1st interview on Thursday, & a pairing with Browns asst. GM Eliot Wolf is being considered, league sources tell clevelanddotcom. 9 playoffs seasons together in GB, 1 Super Bowl win

Browns continue to up the bar for dysfunction. Exciting, ground breaking work in this area.

The analytics piece is important to the Browns, because Chief Strategy Officer Paul DePodesta plans to incorporate more of the Moneyball concept in the Browns’ game plans and play calling, and the new coach will have to be on board if DePodesta remains with the team.

It was a sticking point with Dorsey and Kitchens, who were old school football men. One source said the extensive analytics input every Monday only served to further complicate things for Kitchens, who was already in over his head as head coach and play caller.

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Somehow we are seeing totally different things, other than the quality of the roster. I perceive Jerry interacting with the media above and beyond any other owner, he's on the sidelines. I see him dictating team philosophy, etc. The team is his, not the HC's. He's the ultimate authority, not the HC and the players know it. Hard for the HC to maintain discipline under those conditions.

I think both you and Partial are seeing parts of the same thing. Jerry wants to build a SB winner again. He trusts his people (his son and his coach) enough to give them real responsibility and let them make decisions (Steven Jones - draft, Jason Garrett - settling for punts and FGs in opposition territory).

However, he does interfere with the coaching staff hires (the new OC Kellen Moore calling plays, multiple changes to D coaches) and gets his licks in about the draft. I have heard a lot of their fans moaning about the focus on the passing game this year.

But there is no doubt, tex can probably testify to this, that he has become more serious about delegating responsibility. Part of this might have been about getting better on the field, but also part of it is that he has so many projects going (his Legends sports services company is not only serving food everywhere there is a game, but they are also building the Rams new stadium) that he doesn't have the time.

He is a very busy micro manager who is very serious about being good at football.

[texaspackerbacker]

I guess.

There certainly aren't many GMs around the league who have done a better job than Jerry Jones. Whether Garrett is a poor coach or a victim of circumstance and luck is debatable, but sticking with him this long IMO is a good thing. Somebody said it fosters lack of player discipline if the owner is as proactive as Jones ..... I disagree with that. It's only a problem if the coach butts heads with the owner. If they are in lock step, then it's better for discipline - reinforcing what he says. The bad thing would be if the owner kept flipping coaches every couple of years. Imagine that sort of thing from a player's point of view. We would see every year what we saw a little bit of this year - with media shitheads etc. nattering away about the coach getting fired.

Don't be surprised if Garrett is still the Cowboy coach next season. I wouldn't bet on it, but I certainly wouldn't bet against it.

[Zool]

Talk about a guys rep living off past success. Under Jones, the Cowpies have won 3 playoff games since 1996. In that some timeframe, they’ve lost 9 playoff games and missed the playoffs 13 times. He’s been a bad GM for a decade or 2 but when you’re the owner, you don’t get fired.

[call_me_ishmael]

Browns continue to up the bar for dysfunction. Exciting, ground breaking work in this area.

DePodesta should be President but he doesn't want to live in Cleveland so he can't be. What a shit show. Way too many dicks on the dance floor in Cleveland.

[call_me_ishmael]

Talk about a guys rep living off past success. Under Jones, the Cowpies have won 3 playoff games since 1996. In that some timeframe, they’ve lost 9 playoff games and missed the playoffs 13 times. He’s been a bad GM for a decade or 2 but when you’re the owner, you don’t get fired.

I disagree that he's been a bad GM. I think he has done a bad job at finding a star quarterback. It's hard to argue that the roster isn't loaded with talent, but it also is a roster that doesn't acknowledge that outside of a few outliers, teams are as good as there quarterback and Romo has always been average and Dak is the same.

[Zool]

I disagree that he's been a bad GM. I think he has done a bad job at finding a star quarterback. It's hard to argue that the roster isn't loaded with talent, but it also is a roster that doesn't acknowledge that outside of a few outliers, teams are as good as there quarterback and Romo has always been average and Dak is the same.

Talent matters not if you don’t win. Wins and losses determine the HC and GM job. You have a bit of a man-crush for athletic freaks. The cowboys are always less than the sum of their parts.

[texaspackerbacker]

It just came across the bottom of the screen that talks between Jones and Garrett will resume on Thursday. Does that mean he's staying, and they are discussing how much he gets paid? Or what?

Wins and losses tend to determine the head coach job - in cases other than Jason Garrett hahahaha.

Talent level, on the other hand, is the measure of GM quality. And there are damn few teams where that sum of the parts has been better than the Cowboys.

It occurs to me that maybe it's conflicting to defend both Jerry Jones and Jason Garrett, and the fact is, I've never been that enthused about Garrett. I just don't think poor coaching, though, is the primary reason for Cowboys mediocrity in recent years.

[ThunderDan]

I disagree that he's been a bad GM. I think he has done a bad job at finding a star quarterback. It's hard to argue that the roster isn't loaded with talent, but it also is a roster that doesn't acknowledge that outside of a few outliers, teams are as good as there quarterback and Romo has always been average and Dak is the same.

If you haven’t made the playoff more than half of the time over a 25 year period you are a bad GM.

Obviously your definition of talent has not produced much for results in Dallas. TT use to get crushed here but we only missed the playoffs 4 times in 13 years. Made the NFC Championship 4 times and won the Super Bowl once.

[Joemailman]

If you haven’t made the playoff more than half of the time over a 25 year period you are a bad GM.

In any year 37.5 % of teams make the playoffs. So if you're making it half the time, you're actually a bit above average. As Packers fans, we're a bit spoiled about this, as a 2 year absence seems like an eternity.