Official Black Monday Thread

[George Cumby]

I think the salient point(s) are:

The Bois have talent, so talent evaluation isn't the issue.

The Bois are underperforming, so performance IS the issue.

So the question is:

Why are they underperforming?

Is it Garret?

Is it Jerrah?

Is it Garrett because of Jerrah?

The word on the street is it is a team with a toxic entitled culture, which would not be a surprise to me.

If so, and I'm not saying it is, in whose wheel- house is the culture?

[pbmax]

It just came across the bottom of the screen that talks between Jones and Garrett will resume on Thursday. Does that mean he's staying, and they are discussing how much he gets paid? Or what?

No one seems to know. Seems long and drawn out to fire someone.

[Joemailman]

No one seems to know. Seems long and drawn out to fire someone.

Garrett's contract expires Jan. 14, so they could be working on an extension. Still, I read Garrett has said his goodbyes to people in the organization.

[pbmax]

Talent matters not if you don’t win. Wins and losses determine the HC and GM job. You have a bit of a man-crush for athletic freaks. The cowboys are always less than the sum of their parts.

They have had talent. I think the coach hurts them at key times in close games.

[Zool]

In any year 37.5 % of teams make the playoffs. So if you're making it half the time, you're actually a bit above average. As Packers fans, we're a bit spoiled about this, as a 2 year absence seems like an eternity.

3 wins in 22 seasons is bad no matter how often you make it.

[Bretsky]

They have had talent. I think the coach hurts them at key times in close games.

Dallas is very talented

Pittsburb is very talented


On paper those two teams are way too talented to miss the playoffs IMO

[pbmax]

Dallas is very talented

Pittsburb is very talented


On paper those two teams are way too talented to miss the playoffs IMO

Pittsburgh. Not much talent left on offense these days.

[Joemailman]

wrong thread

[Bretsky]

Pittsburgh. Not much talent left on offense these days.

They almost got to the playoffs with a QB named Duck

Big Ben stays healthy they are one of the faves in the playoffs

[run pMc]

I think M3 will say "no thanks" and smartly avoid the dumpster fire. It's just not worth it since we all know how it's going to end with Jimmy Haslem. Here's the new boss, same as the old boss.

If I'm M3, I send my record and tapes vs the Cowboys to Jerry

Depends. A lot of these coaches - particularly if they've done it before like M3 - probably are confident they can go in and take control of the locker room and change the culture. Cleveland has talent in a lot of positions -- Mayfield, Chubb, Landry/OBJ, plus Garrett, Kirksey, and Ward. It's a team that many thought was likely to ascend, but Kitchens was over his head and let the inmates run the asylum.

The owner's a jerk, and it's been the Factory of Sadness forever, and they have to play PIT and BAL. They at least have enough talent to compete, and that will attract interest from coaches.

[Cheesehead Craig]

From what I've heard, Jerry wants to keep Garrett in the Cowboys system somehow. Jerry runs the Cowboys very much like they are all part of a family. He doesn't want to see Garrett go, as rumor is he loves him like a son but he honestly cannot keep him as the head coach anymore. So I believe the talks are about finding a role that Garrett will accept in the org.

[pbmax]

They almost got to the playoffs with a QB named Duck

Big Ben stays healthy they are one of the faves in the playoffs

And was that the offense or defense playing well?

[call_me_ishmael]

If you haven’t made the playoff more than half of the time over a 25 year period you are a bad GM.

Obviously your definition of talent has not produced much for results in Dallas. TT use to get crushed here but we only missed the playoffs 4 times in 13 years. Made the NFC Championship 4 times and won the Super Bowl once.

I agree with this. They were not great over 25 years, but in the past 5-6 years or so those rosters have been pretty darn good and near the top of the league on average.

[call_me_ishmael]

Dallas is very talented

Pittsburb is very talented


On paper those two teams are way too talented to miss the playoffs IMO

Pittsburgh overachieved because of their coach in my opinion. Dallas underachieved because of their coach in my opinion.

[esoxx]

Pittsburgh overachieved because of their coach in my opinion. Dallas underachieved because of their coach in my opinion.

Pittsburgh has 10 first round draft picks on their current team. That will allow you to stay in any game, whether the QB is named Duck or Goose.

They are actually a scary team if they can get any type of QB play going forward.

The coach is pretty good too.