Official On To The Bye Week Thread

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Matt Schneidman @mattschneidman
#Packers S Raven Greene (24) has been designated to return off IR. He’s wearing a helmet & practicing for the first time since his Week 2 ankle injury.

RB Jamaal Williams also back at practice.

Not practicing: Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Linsley, Turner, Graham, P. Smith, Vitale, Lewis

I wish we could have gotten Greene back a couple weeks ago to get him back in the flow. I said at the time that his loss actually hurt and even floated trying to bring back the unemployed Josh Jones to fill that spot.

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Hmmmm. Not sure this matches everything we have seen, but it sure does describe the way the offense can look downright bad in shotgun with Williams as the protector back.

Look for Team #5 for the rest of the breakdown: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...win-super-bowl




Need to think about this more. Williams is generally on the field for must pass downs. That might be the cause of his numerical disappointment.

Agree that these numbers don't tell the entire story, but I think we all agree via the eye test that this O is much better with Jones on the field.

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From what I've seen of the Packers and the Cowboys, those numbers above seem to be misleading. I just don't see Packer pass protection anywhere near that good, and if the Cowboys were that good at pressuring QBs, they wouldn't be sitting home this weekend.

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I wish we could have gotten Greene back a couple weeks ago to get him back in the flow. I said at the time that his loss actually hurt and even floated trying to bring back the unemployed Josh Jones to fill that spot.

Took them a while to figure out what to do. And given the offenses of the end of the season were not much, I am not sure they actually have figured out how to replace him.

2 weeks of practice could help accelerate it though. Then one week of prep, then two weeks of prep.

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Agree that these numbers don't tell the entire story, but I think we all agree via the eye test that this O is much better with Jones on the field.

I think it comes down to being less likely to be in third and long with Jones on the first two downs.

But I understand the fear. Did not like seeing Rodgers batted around as people bounced off Jones when he pass blocked.

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From what I've seen of the Packers and the Cowboys, those numbers above seem to be misleading. I just don't see Packer pass protection anywhere near that good, and if the Cowboys were that good at pressuring QBs, they wouldn't be sitting home this weekend.

Remember Rodgers extends the pass blocking tim frame past 2.5 quite often.

Cowboys, according to footballoutsiders.com, are 23rd in pass D and 10th in run D. Which would suggest their backend is terrible.

[Bretsky]

Agree that these numbers don't tell the entire story, but I think we all agree via the eye test that this O is much better with Jones on the field.

It's stupid to not have Jones on the filed; he's our top playmaker.

You might use Williams as a better stay in blocker on certain plays.

Otherwise Jones needs to be on the field

[texaspackerbacker]

Remember Rodgers extends the pass blocking tim frame past 2.5 quite often.

That mobility preventing a lot of sacks and near misses would seem to be the source of the misleading stat.

Regarding Bretsky's post, Williams is a very decent runner too, and possibly a better pass receiver. Nowadays, you pretty much need a rotation. I'd like to see Dexter Williams get some snaps too going forward.

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That mobility preventing a lot of sacks and near misses would seem to be the source of the misleading stat.

Regarding Bretsky's post, Williams is a very decent runner too, and possibly a better pass receiver. Nowadays, you pretty much need a rotation. I'd like to see Dexter Williams get some snaps too going forward.

Just look at all of their plays. Jones breaks bigger plays both passing and running.

They aren't measuring Rodgers at all. Its not a sack or pressure count. They are counting wind and losses within 2.5 seconds. If a rusher breaks at Rodgers prior to that, its a loss for the lineman, no matter what Rodgers accomplishes.

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I suspect he escapes well before 2.5 seconds most of the time - making it a statistical win.

Nothing whatsoever against Aaron Jones. He has been outstanding. I'm just saying, a rotation with a solid back up or two is important too. And we do have that.

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I suspect he escapes well before 2.5 seconds most of the time - making it a statistical win.

Nothing whatsoever against Aaron Jones. He has been outstanding. I'm just saying, a rotation with a solid back up or two is important too. And we do have that.

C'mon tex. That isn't how he operates and you know it. He waits until the last possible moment unless there is a free rusher.

[Bretsky]

That mobility preventing a lot of sacks and near misses would seem to be the source of the misleading stat.

Regarding Bretsky's post, Williams is a very decent runner too, and possibly a better pass receiver. Nowadays, you pretty much need a rotation. I'd like to see Dexter Williams get some snaps too going forward.

Williams is a good blocker; I'd take him any day against a blitz when the RB is staying in to block.

Otherwise, he has not place being out there. He can run a bland pattern and catch the ball. He'll fall forward when he's tackled.

But Aaron Jones is our playmaker. He can break any given play to the house, and he can beat a LB deep on a consistent basis. Huge difference in playmakers.

Teams are scheming to stop Aaron Jones.....not Aaron Rodgers....they are prioritizing to stop Aaron Jones.

They aren't spending any more time scheming to stop Willams then they are for stopping Whitewater Jesus

[texaspackerbacker]

You'll wear out our playmaker if you ram him into the line every down. Yeah, Jones is a lot better runner than Williams, either of them. Hell, he's now a better runner than 25 or 30 other teams have running the ball, but you need a rotation. Jamal Williams ain't bad either. In addition to his blocking - which ain't nothing, you seem to forget several fairly long runs he has had in addition to a lot of tough 3 to 8 yard gains.

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Williams is a good blocker; I'd take him any day against a blitz when the RB is staying in to block.

Otherwise, he has not place being out there. He can run a bland pattern and catch the ball. He'll fall forward when he's tackled.

But Aaron Jones is our playmaker. He can break any given play to the house, and he can beat a LB deep on a consistent basis. Huge difference in playmakers.

Teams are scheming to stop Aaron Jones.....not Aaron Rodgers....they are prioritizing to stop Aaron Jones.

They aren't spending any more time scheming to stop Willams then they are for stopping Whitewater Jesus

I went and looked at their individual plays this year. Jones and Williams were close to even on yards per carry. Jones had a big lead in yards per catch.

Williams got slightly higher numbers for percentage of touches that resulted in first downs, which I assume is short yardage rather than big runs.

I did some quick math and out of 305 touches, Jones hit 10+ yards 20 times. on 157 touches, Williams got that kinda of yardage 10 times. So Jones barely ahead in that department.

So just by counting, Jones seems to get you some bigger yardage in the pass game.

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You'll wear out our playmaker if you ram him into the line every down. Yeah, Jones is a lot better runner than Williams, either of them. Hell, he's now a better runner than 25 or 30 other teams have running the ball, but you need a rotation. Jamal Williams ain't bad either. In addition to his blocking - which ain't nothing, you seem to forget several fairly long runs he has had in addition to a lot of tough 3 to 8 yard gains.

I agree and he has been injured.

Given the number I just looked up, it would seem to behoove the offense to throw to him more, use him less as a blocker and give Williams a few of his runs.

Ideally, you might pull off a TE and put them both in the backfield.