The Green Bay Packers are ....

[Bossman641]

Rodgers has played 18 playoff games. In the 10 wins the team averages 30.6 scored and 19.2 allowed. In the 8 losses they score 24.9 and allow 36.4. They are 9-1 when allowing 25 or less.

Brady has played 41 playoff games. Average 30 scored and 18.2 allowed in 30 wins and 18.7 scored and 27.2 allowed in 11 losses. They are 23-4 when allowing 25 or less.

Packers have allowed 35 or more in 5 of those 18 starts, with games of 44, 45, and 51. Pats have allowed 35 or more twice in the playoffs...at 38 and 41 allowed.

[Deputy Nutz]

It's not for a lack of trying on defense. The Packers have thrown quite a bit at the defense through the draft and free agency to get it "fixed". The Packers have never seemed to hire the right "right" guy to run the defense, or draft the "right" players to be elite. Since 2005 the Packers have drafted a defensive player in the first round or with their first pick 13 times.

1. Rashan Gary DE 2019
1. Darnell Savage S 2019
1. Jaire Alexander CB 2018
2. Kevin King CB 2017
1. Kenny Clark CB 2016
1. Damarious Randall CB 2015
1. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix S 2014
1. Deonte Jones DE 2013
1. Nick Perry OLB 2012
1. BJ Raji DT 2009
1. Clay Matthews 2009
1. Justin Harrell DT 2007
1. AJ Hawk LB 2006

There are a lot of busts for a lot of different reasons on that list. I didn't even go deep into the second round picks which there have also been a lot of misses on defense. The Packers who where a build through the draft team for over a decade simply missed too many times on the elite talent in the first round to build the core of their defense. I

Lets for fun, rank these guys...
1. Clay Matthews 2009 All Pro
2. Kenny Clark 2016 Pro Bowl
3. AJ Hawk 2006 Solid Starter Retired
4. BJ Raji 2009 Pro Bowl-Early Retirement
5. Nick Perry 2012 Solid Starter-unsigned/Retired
6. Jaire Alexander 2018 Solid Starter
7. Darnell Savage 2019 Starter
8. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix 2014 Starter- Journeyman
9. Kevin King 2017 Starter
10. Rashan Gary 2019 Role player
11. Demarious Randall 2015 Liability - Starter
12. Deonte Jones 2013 Role player - Out of league
13. Justin Harrell 2006 Liability- Out of league

When I look at this list I think of the overall lack of talent drafted in the first round. The second round defensive picks are even worse, outside of Casey Heyward, who the Packers let walk.

[mraynrand]

The second round defensive picks are even worse, outside of Casey Heyward, who the Packers let walk.

limp, more like.

[pbmax]

Gotta hope Gute, who gave Pettine a FA list of available OLB and let him pick (and then found they could afford both the first and second choice) has a better handle on this than past personnel folks.

As wist has pointed out before, this is not the first stretch of time that the Packers under the Harlan/Wolf banner have struggled to find defense in the draft.

[run pMc]

Not really. Neither Favre or Brady suffered the number of significant injuries Rodgers has.

True. The collarbones, broken leg, concussions... he's not going to heal faster or get stronger at this point of his career. Comparing him to Favre is a little unfair -- Favre was legendary for playing through anything, as his games-played streak proves.

Also - can we stop the "Rodgers' career has been wasted by ___?" Drew Brees has ONE SB ring, and has lost 2 other NFC Championship games. His deep ball is starting to flutter, and I don't hear national media saying his career was wasted.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

True. The collarbones, broken leg, concussions... he's not going to heal faster or get stronger at this point of his career. Comparing him to Favre is a little unfair -- Favre was legendary for playing through anything, as his games-played streak proves.

Also - can we stop the "Rodgers' career has been wasted by ___?" Drew Brees has ONE SB ring, and has lost 2 other NFC Championship games. His deep ball is starting to flutter, and I don't hear national media saying his career was wasted.

Maybe, but Rodgers career has been wasted...

[Deputy Nutz]

Multiple Super Bowl winning QBs currently in the NFL.

Tom Brady 6
Eli Manning 2
Ben Roethlisberger 2

The Packers haven't wasted anything. Rodgers has made a lot of money and the Packers have made the playoffs 9 times when he was the starter. News Flash, it is not that easy to win Super Bowls in the NFL, even though the Patriots made it look relatively easy.

[pbmax]

Eli Manning winning might just prove its luck and pass rush and not much more.

[texaspackerbacker]

Rodgers' career has not been wasted in the sense that We the Packers Fans have had a whole lot to enjoy for a long long time with Rodgers and Favre before him. However, some people like to ignore season after season - with very few exceptions - of excellence and winning records, claiming the Super Bowl is the only thing that counts. Personally, it took me a day or so to get over the disgust of Sunday's bad loss, but I'm now content that this was a really good season - not that it couldn't have been better with just a little bit better personnel in a few key spots.

I was in full "wait 'til next year" mode even after the shitty season last year; How much more after what we saw this season. Let's go get those few key pieces to the puzzle while Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Jones are still excellent. That might make a good poll hahahaha - which Aaron is gonna flame out first, the RB or the QB?

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Rodgers' career has not been wasted in the sense that We the Packers Fans have had a whole lot to enjoy for a long long time with Rodgers and Favre before him. However, some people like to ignore season after season - with very few exceptions - of excellence and winning records, claiming the Super Bowl is the only thing that counts. Personally, it took me a day or so to get over the disgust of Sunday's bad loss, but I'm now content that this was a really good season - not that it couldn't have been better with just a little bit better personnel in a few key spots.

I was in full "wait 'til next year" mode even after the shitty season last year; How much more after what we saw this season. Let's go get those few key pieces to the puzzle while Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Jones are still excellent. That might make a good poll hahahaha - which Aaron is gonna flame out first, the RB or the QB?

I hear you, but its the age old conundrum of not looking at the past good results, but instead focusing on the now. And for me, the scary part is yes, indeed, we have been very very lucky having Favre and then Rodgers, but with Rodgers clearly declining, having fairly poor hit rates on recent drafts, and having too few play makers on either side of the ball, what exactly happens NOW??

[texaspackerbacker]

First of all, I disagree that there has been all that much decline in Rodgers' performance. But otherwise, what you say is fairly valid, depending on how far back you go when you say recent. We do need more playmakers - doesn't everybody.

I'll tell you what I absolutely do NOT want is the kind of boom and bust thing some team in the NFL and other sports do - dropping all the way down to the pits in the hope - which certainly doesn't always happen - of building back up to the top. That absolutely ain't the title of this thread.

[run pMc]

Rodgers' career has not been wasted in the sense that We the Packers Fans have had a whole lot to enjoy for a long long time with Rodgers and Favre before him. However, some people like to ignore season after season - with very few exceptions - of excellence and winning records, claiming the Super Bowl is the only thing that counts. Personally, it took me a day or so to get over the disgust of Sunday's bad loss, but I'm now content that this was a really good season - not that it couldn't have been better with just a little bit better personnel in a few key spots.

I was in full "wait 'til next year" mode even after the shitty season last year; How much more after what we saw this season. Let's go get those few key pieces to the puzzle while Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Jones are still excellent. That might make a good poll hahahaha - which Aaron is gonna flame out first, the RB or the QB?

Agree with you here -- it was a very exciting season, and I did not expect 14 wins and an NFC Championship game in MLF's 1st year. After 2 years of not making the playoffs, it was great to watch meaningful games in January. They exceeded my expectations, and had some very good luck. They may experience some regression to the mean in terms of winning close games, injuries, etc., but I'm hoping Gute can piece together a solid offseason personnel-wise and Year 2 in the offense produces better execution.

And you're also right-on with QB play -- Rodgers isn't perfect (I criticize him plenty), but there are plenty of teams that would have loved to have him on their team, even at age 36. The Favre-Rodgers timeline isn't quite Montana-Young, but they've made the playoffs 19 out of the last 30 seasons (Infante was coach in '91!) - not many teams can rival that.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/784468/teams-ranked-by-playoff-appearances-in-nfl-history/

[scharpcheddar]

They are.....
Done for the season. Move on, make a super bowl thread

[texaspackerbacker]

Kick that shithead out of here, Madtown.

[pbmax]

... done for 2019-20.