Cowboys Hire Mike McCarthy

[Gotarace]

He won a SB already. He proved it

Did you Predict it that Season?

[Zool]

Yes, I imagine he has a real fire in his belly after being dumped. But then again, the Packers brass had a gutfull of M3's stomach churning playoff losses.

I find it surprising he was handed that job on a sliver platter.

Maybe Feast Mode Lacy is still around?

[pbmax]

Bad original post. I thought he was targeting Ted's front office. He is actually commenting on the complacency of the players that Murphy talked about.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/01/07/having-an-owner-in-the-building-may-be-good-for-mike-mccarthy/

But he does manage to get a mis-read of the front office in there.

It’s a corporate structure, with no one person having the power at any given moment to fire, hire, whatever if there’s something happening that the owner doesn’t like.

The lack of immediate, bright-line accountability can, over time, make people more comfortable than they should be, especially when competing with 31 franchises who are coached by men who live and work under the cloud of someone who can, at any given time, catch a wild hair and decide to make changes.

He does still get a mis-read into the piece. Murphy has the power to act in this way. He does report to the board, but the board gives pretty wide latitude to the CEO.

Packers are not more patient than the Steelers or Giants.

[run pMc]

Of all the available HC gigs, DAL is among the best in terms of talent, and while Jerrah can be a lot to handle he has toned down his antics considerably and is more stable than Snyder or Haslem. Plus the NFCE isn't exactly a juggernaut. He has a good chance to succeed there.

I thought his research buddies (Haslett et al.) would get gigs with him too; maybe they still will.

[pbmax]

Of all the available HC gigs, DAL is among the best in terms of talent, and while Jerrah can be a lot to handle he has toned down his antics considerably and is more stable than Snyder or Haslem. Plus the NFCE isn't exactly a juggernaut. He has a good chance to succeed there.

I thought his research buddies (Haslett et al.) would get gigs with him too; maybe they still will.

Its wasn't a bad year to be job searching. You can make a case for the talent at each stop.

I thought the Giants were wrong not to chase him, as he would be a great fit for Jones to develop. Though Gettleman probably doesn't want to devote those kinds of resources to the passing game.

Another case where a little compromise would get you a long way to success.

[Cleft Crusty]

Bad original post. I thought he was targeting Ted's front office. He is actually commenting on the complacency of the players that Murphy talked about.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/01/07/having-an-owner-in-the-building-may-be-good-for-mike-mccarthy/

But he does manage to get a mis-read of the front office in there.



He does still get a mis-read into the piece. Murphy has the power to act in this way. He does report to the board, but the board gives pretty wide latitude to the CEO.

Packers are not more patient than the Steelers or Giants.

Bad second post too.

From the article:

After the Packers fired McCarthy, CEO Mark Murphy admitted that, indeed, “a complacency had set in among some players and coaches.”

It is Mark Murphy himself who argues that a complacency had set it, which is a very odd thing for a person to say, particularly if that person is the equivalent of an owner who can get a 'wild hair' and start firing people because they've become complacent. So perhaps Murphy was the one who was complacent, and maybe he does look over his shoulder at the board of directors who do have the power to get rid of him. Murphy is at the top of the silos, but he has nowhere near the autonomy of an owner. Would be fascinating to have insider information to compare the dynamic and relative autonomies between Board-Harlan-Wolf in 1999 to Board-Murphy-Silos in 2018.

[pbmax]

Bad second post too.

From the article:

It is Mark Murphy himself who argues that a complacency had set it, which is a very odd thing for a person to say, particularly if that person is the equivalent of an owner who can get a 'wild hair' and start firing people because they've become complacent. So perhaps Murphy was the one who was complacent, and maybe he does look over his shoulder at the board of directors who do have the power to get rid of him. Murphy is at the top of the silos, but he has nowhere near the autonomy of an owner. Would be fascinating to have insider information to compare the dynamic and relative autonomies between Board-Harlan-Wolf in 1999 to Board-Murphy-Silos in 2018.

My edited post said exactly that, Florio was echoing Murphy and Rodgers. And though he doesn't name them, Matthews, Martinez and Randall as well. He was not engaging in Thompson GM bashing, which is what I thought it was going to be. But complacency is not the right read to me.

Jones wants to run everything. He wants to be owner, GM and part-time coach. He orders changes to staff and their roles. I see the wild hair thing as largely separate from complacency. A micro manager doesn't drive complacency from a workplace, he just changes incentives.

Murphy, for personal reasons as much as structure, isn't going to do that. He got pushback for rearranging how silos report.

But in the hiring of a GM or coach, I think he has clear authority to act if he sees fit. I think the prompt in this case was the team record, not complacency.

Complacency became a talking point about McCarthy's dismissal because the players who had to start were not performing to expectations. That was lack of talent, not complacency.

[Cleft Crusty]

But complacency is not the right read to me.
But in the hiring of a GM or coach, I think he has clear authority to act if he sees fit. I think the prompt in this case was the team record, not complacency.

Complacency became a talking point about McCarthy's dismissal because the players who had to start were not performing to expectations. That was lack of talent, not complacency.

OK. The complacency charge was a total dodge. The organization was tired of McCarthy for whatever reason. (My top reason is that there was dysfunction and they had to choose between Rodgers and McCarthy and you don't send away your franchise QB). So they paid Rodgers and set McCarthy up to fail. 2018 saw them rearrange the roster and $$ to be able to make moves for 2019. If there actually was complacency, it was their own, and it was largely deliberate. There may also be a bit of coverup for terribly failed moves both in drafting and FA (especially at the TE position) which could be better and more generally described as 'complacency' or delay in moving Thompson out. Murphy is the one guilty of "complacency." It's possible he didn't have the complete freedom and lack of patience attributed to the Giants/teams with knee jerk owners because then he could have and maybe would have dumped everyone a year or two earlier.

Alternatively, he is a stable genius, and a decent man who knew exactly what was going on, and instead of impulsively torpedoing Thompson and McCarthy, he gently moved Thompson out, maneuvered McCarthy out, assuming more control after (perhaps) being made aware/becoming aware of Thompson's failing health/performance and McCarthy's loss of authority over the team. I acknowledge that information coming out of GB doesn't reveal how much total autonomy he has. Who knows what people - the board - are really saying to him, or whether some of these crazy stories about McCarthy are true, for example. I also get the desire to deflect blame, especially if he does have a lot of autonomy, because otherwise the Board can remove him, if they see him acting too slowly to fix things.

[MadtownPacker]

I thought Cleft Crusty was supposed to provide witty lighthearted commentary.

[pbmax]

OK. The complacency charge was a total dodge. The organization was tired of McCarthy for whatever reason. (My top reason is that there was dysfunction and they had to choose between Rodgers and McCarthy and you don't send away your franchise QB). So they paid Rodgers and set McCarthy up to fail. 2018 saw them rearrange the roster and $$ to be able to make moves for 2019. If there actually was complacency, it was their own, and it was largely deliberate. There may also be a bit of coverup for terribly failed moves both in drafting and FA (especially at the TE position) which could be better and more generally described as 'complacency' or delay in moving Thompson out. Murphy is the one guilty of "complacency." It's possible he didn't have the complete freedom and lack of patience attributed to the Giants/teams with knee jerk owners because then he could have and maybe would have dumped everyone a year or two earlier.

Alternatively, he is a stable genius, and a decent man who knew exactly what was going on, and instead of impulsively torpedoing Thompson and McCarthy, he gently moved Thompson out, maneuvered McCarthy out, assuming more control after (perhaps) being made aware/becoming aware of Thompson's failing health/performance and McCarthy's loss of authority over the team. I acknowledge that information coming out of GB doesn't reveal how much total autonomy he has. Who knows what people - the board - are really saying to him, or whether some of these crazy stories about McCarthy are true, for example. I also get the desire to deflect blame, especially if he does have a lot of autonomy, because otherwise the Board can remove him, if they see him acting too slowly to fix things.

I think it comes down to 3 years to evaluate a draft. He had two terrible drafts early in the decade. He signed Peppers to resolve one problem. Recovered a bit, then hit another two year drought. Signed Evans to help, but never solved that second wave of whiffs. Had continuing holes at safety, TE and WR corp (Adams aside). Once it was clear the second drought had gutted the roster, then even a healthy and functional Thompson (or Gute or Ball acting on his behalf if he was slowing) couldn't pull them out of it easily. They were going to bottom out like mid 2000s Packers.

Needed a new approach after they lost their draft touch and that meant signing some big ticket guys.

I always thought Ted against FA was oversold. He would have signed more had he continued (assuming he could-we really don't know his condition). But I think your comment is correct, by this time there was resistance in the building to doing it Ted's way and waiting for Ted to sign off on FAs was going to hurt them internally and cause strife.

Better to hire new and give them charge to use all avenues.

And they did pick Rodgers (contract) over fixing Ted and Mike first. And that got Mike one more year, but the writing was on the wall.

[Cleft Crusty]

I thought Cleft Crusty was supposed to provide witty lighthearted commentary.

Since when? My mandate is to provide the best analysis a semi-retired reporter making $0.65/hour can. And I’ll scuttle witless know-nothings wherever and whenever I can. You should read through some of the game day Q&As. No quarter given.

[esoxx]

Since when? My mandate is to provide the best analysis a semi-retired reporter making $0.65/hour can. And I’ll scuttle witless know-nothings wherever and whenever I can. You should read through some of the game day Q&As. No quarter given.

Yup, Cleft has always been crusty in his demeanor.

I imagine it matches his underwear. Can make a guy irritable I suppose.

[texaspackerbacker]

APB inferred that this guy is Rand's alternative screen name. Could we get a denial or confirmation of that? hahahaha

[MadtownPacker]

APB inferred that this guy is Rand's alternative screen name. Could we get a denial or confirmation of that? hahahaha

Yes and that’s why I’m telling him to use his regular account. The Crusty one is allowed. In fact in spite of all the shit Aynrand talks about the forum or me he is the ONLY poster that has ever been allowed to have a pseudo account. Special treatment? Probably but he has used it in a fun way. Now he is trying to hide behind it like the pussy he is.

[RashanGary]

Yes and that’s why I’m telling him to use his regular account. The Crusty one is allowed. In fact in spite of all the shit Aynrand talks about the forum or me he is the ONLY poster that has ever been allowed to have a pseudo account. Special treatment? Probably but he has used it in a fun way. Now he is trying to hide behind it like the pussy he is.