Pettine: Stays or Goes

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I’m with 31. If the O doesn’t shit the bed for the entire first half, maybe SF has to actually throw the ball.

Can't the defense try to be at least as good as Avis?

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Was MN's defense outcoached when they got steamrolled?

Yes.

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Watch this play. The WR, top of screen, is getting the ball on an end around that is blocked like a screen (eventually). Before that, 49ers sell an inside handoff to the left.

P Smith crashes down the line chasing the FB, taking himself COMPLETELY out of the play. You could make the case that he is trying to help versus the inside run. But what he does is completely abandon the outside before knowing where the ball is. No EDGE.

King backs off coverage almost like a zone and goes to play deep safety. Probably his responsibility since a safety will have to fill in on the left side of the D when that receiver gets there.

Play side CB gets blocked easily. Martinez and Goodson buy the inside fake and step up. Goodson looks like he has coverage on that back if he is a receiver. But Martinez is way up on the LOS too.

Savage is watching the TE who could release to D right after blocking.

There is just no one to cover the end around guy. When WR gets the ball on a toss, there are three Packers in between the hashes. One oustide the hashes on the play side. Four Packers to beat with 5-6 blockers depending on where you count from.

You cannot defend this play this way.

The worst is that Savage is VERY late to recognize the ball. He is still worried about that TE after the end around has gotten the corner. He is so late he cannot fill (forward) he moves backward so as not to be passed by.

Either King has to follow or Savage has to abandon that TE to King.

The numbers just don't work any other way. Looks like scheme, teaching and keys to me. Of course, its only one play and I am just guessing.

https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL/status/1219274999678357506

[Zool]

Can't the defense try to be at least as good as Avis?

How many times do they have to pick them up? Eliminate the turnovers and it might be a 17-10 game at half.

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Woof. Here is the Bear front Nutz talked about I believe. But its Adams-Lancaster-Lowry while Clark presumably gets a breather. Bowen covers the bad angles of the DBs. But ...

https://twitter.com/MattBowen41/status/1219420460837933056

Adams gets DT'd and gets through it, though he retreats too much. But he gets the edge on his guy. However, he is off balance and as soon as the back cuts off him, he falls down. Needs to win quicker and cleaner with better balance. But hey, he won a battle.

Lancaster engages and loses immediately. Gets way out over his skis and is lucky he doesn't end up on ground. But having to step forward to regain balance takes him out of play. Poor. If he wins, he can squeeze the play and give the back only one cut option.

Lowry engages but lets the O lineman cut him off. When attempting to get through it, Lowry hits the ground. Useless.

Both Niner lineman looked like they grabbed jersey to pull Lancaster and Lowry forward and down, but video is poor quality.

Nitro backer 35 (Campbell?) gets blocked nearly to ground BUT he gets his head and arm to his gap responsibility side which on this play counts as a clean win if we grade on a curve.

Martinez gets to his gap but cannot shed the blocker and so cannot close the gap between him and ball carrier and Adams nearly on the ground.

Hard to say who had the gap next to Adams. By alignment pre-snap, might have been Lancaster, who never gets close. Martinez is aligned between Lancaster and Lowry and he reads correctly, but he can't beat the block that get the spot well before he does.

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How many times do they have to pick them up? Eliminate the turnovers and it might be a 17-10 game at half.

How about once since 2014?

Even at 17-10, 49ers are still running the ball like madmen. That wouldn't stop. Its like a track meet with only the steeplechase and hurdles.

[Deputy Nutz]

Watch this play. The WR, top of screen, is getting the ball on an end around that is blocked like a screen (eventually). Before that, 49ers sell an inside handoff to the left.

P Smith crashes down the line chasing the FB, taking himself COMPLETELY out of the play. You could make the case that he is trying to help versus the inside run. But what he does is completely abandon the outside before knowing where the ball is. No EDGE.

King backs off coverage almost like a zone and goes to play deep safety. Probably his responsibility since a safety will have to fill in on the left side of the D when that receiver gets there.

Play side CB gets blocked easily. Martinez and Goodson buy the inside fake and step up. Goodson looks like he has coverage on that back if he is a receiver. But Martinez is way up on the LOS too.

Savage is watching the TE who could release to D right after blocking.

There is just no one to cover the end around guy. When WR gets the ball on a toss, there are three Packers in between the hashes. One oustide the hashes on the play side. Four Packers to beat with 5-6 blockers depending on where you count from.

You cannot defend this play this way.

The worst is that Savage is VERY late to recognize the ball. He is still worried about that TE after the end around has gotten the corner. He is so late he cannot fill (forward) he moves backward so as not to be passed by.

Either King has to follow or Savage has to abandon that TE to King.

The numbers just don't work any other way. Looks like scheme, teaching and keys to me. Of course, its only one play and I am just guessing.

https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL/s...74999678357506

That is in fact a bear front. I am sorry, the play that I was referring to was looked like the Bear's 46 scheme under Buddy Ryan where you stack the safety over the TE and kick out the DE or OLB on the strong side.

Bear Front


46


Similar as both use two 3T tackles, obviously why they are called Bear and sometimes the Bear 46

[Deputy Nutz]

https://twitter.com/MattBowen41/status/1219420460837933056
Where it all fails
The Packers' defense is not balanced in the box to the formation. It's 21 personnel in the I formation and the Packers are a guy short to the Tight End side.

They can double at the point of attack, single with center, which Lancaster should feel disgraced on that pathetic performance, hinge the backside 3t, and cut off OLB with zone footwork.

It's nothing complicated just a zone scheme with a lead block, it happens so easily it honestly looks like ISO. The combo on playside DT works flawlessly because Adams doesn't recognize the double right away and the guard is able to get position way too easily the playside OT can then disengage to pick up the MLB, and the Fullback has a easy lead block on a safety.

The Play side OLB correctly reads the reach block from the tight end and although he doesn't work hard enough to defeat the block on the line of scrimmage and creates an even bigger running lane, he does maintains outside leverage. Z. Smith has absolutely terrible footwork on this play, he is not ready at the snap of the ball and he can't attack the TE to help close down the C gap.

It is simply too easy for the 49ers based on the alignment and the effort. Not one single player defeated a block on that play.

[texaspackerbacker]

It's hard to dispute that, but why then did not Seattle or Minnesota or basically anybody other than maybe Denver exploit what the Packers do like the Niners did?

[Deputy Nutz]

1st off, Jimmy and Joes. Kittle is a very good blocking TE and they have and use one of the best fullbacks in the game.

Secondly, I am not sure what the Packers where trying to do in the above play, their base defense uses their nickel personnel. They lack two quality inside linebackers to take on a team that relied on the run as much as San Fran did on Sunday.

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This story about the organization of Browns practice under Pettine is almost too crazy to believe.

https://twitter.com/ThomaHawkShow/status/1219333882400522240

That is Joe Thomas and Andrew Hawkins' podcast.

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That is in fact a bear front. I am sorry, the play that I was referring to was looked like the Bear's 46 scheme under Buddy Ryan where you stack the safety over the TE and kick out the DE or OLB on the strong side.

Bear Front


46


Similar as both use two 3T tackles, obviously why they are called Bear and sometimes the Bear 46

Yes, when I said Bear front, I was looking at the 3 DL on the center and two guards. I'm surprised I didn't mix it up

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1st off, Jimmy and Joes. Kittle is a very good blocking TE and they have and use one of the best fullbacks in the game.

Secondly, I am not sure what the Packers where trying to do in the above play, their base defense uses their nickel personnel. They lack two quality inside linebackers to take on a team that relied on the run as much as San Fran did on Sunday.

They have to have been keying personnel on the down and distance for that play. Maybe field position?

Its the most traditional old school 21 [2 RB/FB, 1 TE] personnel group. Why is Campbell in there when they were heavy up front?

Goodson played a decent amount of snaps. They weren't afraid of Kittle on him for each play.

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https://twitter.com/MattBowen41/status/1219420460837933056
Where it all fails
The Packers' defense is not balanced in the box to the formation. It's 21 personnel in the I formation and the Packers are a guy short to the Tight End side.

They can double at the point of attack, single with center, which Lancaster should feel disgraced on that pathetic performance, hinge the backside 3t, and cut off OLB with zone footwork.

It's nothing complicated just a zone scheme with a lead block, it happens so easily it honestly looks like ISO. The combo on playside DT works flawlessly because Adams doesn't recognize the double right away and the guard is able to get position way too easily the playside OT can then disengage to pick up the MLB, and the Fullback has a easy lead block on a safety.

The Play side OLB correctly reads the reach block from the tight end and although he doesn't work hard enough to defeat the block on the line of scrimmage and creates an even bigger running lane, he does maintains outside leverage. Z. Smith has absolutely terrible footwork on this play, he is not ready at the snap of the ball and he can't attack the TE to help close down the C gap.

It is simply too easy for the 49ers based on the alignment and the effort. Not one single player defeated a block on that play.

If you watch the first second of the clip, Lowry gestures toward Lancaster who is head on over the center. I bet he was supposed to slide left one technique.