2020 free agency thread

[pbmax]

My one solid cause for optimism is that I don't buy the Packers were lucky all year. They played well at crucial times. I don't buy people figuring the officials. I would buy health of the team.

The 13-3 season seems like a good reason for optimism. But we will know next year. Nagy's first year effect wore off quickly.

[GB-Brandon]

And he is behind two other guys who are committed for 3 years. You can't have enough pass rush, but the solution for a team with a window might not be draft and develop with other front 7 position needs.

Very much like ILB, not sure they are breaking the bank for a new guy, so is it wrong player for scheme? Position coach?

I don’t believe it is a coaching issue in regards to Gary. I believe Gary’s natural position is as a 4-3 defensive end so I never really liked the pick(was actually scratching my head when he was selected). I never thought Gary was gonna excel at “playing in space” in the NFL but of course the jury is still out. I projected him being better with his hand in the dirt. You also have to remember there were production issues with Gary at Michigan. So yes, I believe the ultimate mistake was taking this elite talent to develop with a team conducting in a shorter window.

Nevertheless, massive draft capital was used on him so to not be getting much return early is a disappointment IMO. At some point there gonna have to find a way to get him on the field and probably sooner then later which could mean beefing him up 20lb’s and using him at DE in our defense. The results could equal the next JJ Watt, or hopefully not for us the next Datone Jones. At least what I’m hearing is he won’t need surgery which is a positive.

[pbmax]

I don’t believe it is a coaching issue in regards to Gary. I believe Gary’s natural position is as a 4-3 defensive end so I never really liked the pick(was actually scratching my head when he was selected). I never thought Gary was gonna excel at “playing in space” in the NFL but of course the jury is still out. I projected him being better with his hand in the dirt. You also have to remember there were production issues with Gary at Michigan. So yes, I believe the ultimate mistake was taking this elite talent to develop with a team conducting in a shorter window.

Nevertheless, massive draft capital was used on him so to not be getting much return early is a disappointment IMO. At some point there gonna have to find a way to get him on the field and probably sooner then later which could mean beefing him up 20lb’s and using him at DE in our defense. The results could equal the next JJ Watt, or hopefully not for us the next Datone Jones. At least what I’m hearing is he won’t need surgery which is a positive.

I generally agree with the synopsis of Gary.

But when I mentioned coaching issue, I meant the general play of the D line outside of Clark against the run this year.

[Joemailman]

My one solid cause for optimism is that I don't buy the Packers were lucky all year. They played well at crucial times. I don't buy people figuring the officials. I would buy health of the team.

The 13-3 season seems like a good reason for optimism. But we will know next year. Nagy's first year effect wore off quickly.

In Nagy's 1st year the Bears lived off turnovers, forcing 36. That shortened the field for the Bears offense. They were 9th in scoring despite being 21st in yards. That level of turnovers not surprisingly proved impossible to duplicate as they fell to 19 in 2019. I'm not sure the Packers have a statistical performance category that will inevitably have a big drop off in 2020.

[GB-Brandon]

My one solid cause for optimism is that I don't buy the Packers were lucky all year. They played well at crucial times. I don't buy people figuring the officials. I would buy health of the team.

The 13-3 season seems like a good reason for optimism. But we will know next year. Nagy's first year effect wore off quickly.

I believe there is a lot of reason for optimism “IF” Gute uses available resources to shore up this roster successfully . We have all but ignored getting elite offensive firepower for years in favor of building and rebuilding this defense only to rebuild it again followed by getting ran off the field once again when it mattered. . At this stage of the game it is my opinion that the direction be to plug holes on defense with cost effective free agents(maybe one more big move) and add elite talent to the offense through the draft.

[GB-Brandon]

I generally agree with the synopsis of Gary.

But when I mentioned coaching issue, I meant the general play of the D line outside of Clark against the run this year.

It’s a Lowry and Lancaster issue along with playing one LB most of the time who isn’t a “world beater” by any means. It’s “smoke and mirrors” and while it worked well at times it got trucked by a physical team that can run at you as well as on the edge. They ran Daniels off with nobody as good as him to take his place and it came back to bite us.

If your gonna go out there and run two DL against a team like the niners they better be both of the level of Kenny Clark with a Bobby Wagner type behind them.