It's Gutey Time

[Bretsky]

Allison is the Richard "Sack O' Potatoes" Rodgers of wide receivers.

I agree; he's the guy you want to replace.

Too all posters, did I miss something with ESB ? I never really saw a bunch of upside with him. I thought he'd be a 5/6 for us with minimal upsaide. I was way higher on MVS than him. Who is high on him ?

Regardless we need to add two weapons to the receiving core.

I think we can survive wiht an imporved Sternberger and Mercedes Lewis is we add a couple WR's in the draft.

HINT HINT HINT............CEEPHUS one one other

I'm in WI Badger withdrawal and would really like a Badger I like on the Packers.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I was higher on ESB than MVS before the year. Both have great size and speed, but ESB actually showed some ball skills and versatility in his route running.

MVS is a poor man's Qadry Ismail.

[pbmax]

I was higher on ESB than MVS before the year. Both have great size and speed, but ESB actually showed some ball skills and versatility in his route running.

MVS is a poor man's Qadry Ismail.

That will leave a mark.

[Joemailman]

I agree; he's the guy you want to replace.

Too all posters, did I miss something with ESB ? I never really saw a bunch of upside with him. I thought he'd be a 5/6 for us with minimal upsaide. I was way higher on MVS than him. Who is high on him ?

Regardless we need to add two weapons to the receiving core.

I think we can survive wiht an imporved Sternberger and Mercedes Lewis is we add a couple WR's in the draft.

HINT HINT HINT............CEEPHUS one one other

I'm in WI Badger withdrawal and would really like a Badger I like on the Packers.

I saw St. Brown play quite a bit in college because I follow Notre Dame. Was always impressed with his ability to make tough catches. Great size and good and deceptive speed. Made some nice plays late in the season on 2018. Arod woild have a lot more confidence throwing a 50/50 ball to him than MVS

[run pMc]

ESB's route running was superior to MVS in Year 1, and I didn't see much improvement in MVS' routes in Year 2. I don't know how to describe it, but I think ESB's Football IQ is higher than MVS as well.
Finally, I thought ESB ran some nice routes over the middle last year and felt he could be a candidate for the big slot receiver -- at a minimum, he's a better athlete and bigger than Allison.

So yeah, I'm on the ESB bandwagon, but you never know...sometimes these guys tease with promise and vanish.

[Bretsky]

I was higher on ESB than MVS before the year. Both have great size and speed, but ESB actually showed some ball skills and versatility in his route running.

MVS is a poor man's Qadry Ismail.

TY for offering this !! I missed some Packer games that year due to coaching so I just might have missed the upside in EVS.

So going into next year, would you consider the guys who definitely deserve roster spots at WR at 1. Adams 2, . The Lizard 3. EVS and after that nothing is guaranteed ?

[texaspackerbacker]

So now we've got a St. Brown bandwagon in addition to the Sternberger one. Of the two, I prefer ESB. I still have a hope for Valdez-Scantling, though. Continue to develop MVS and ESB, and get max snaps from Adams and Lazard and hopefully a new speed burner like Duvernay, and that amounts to a very decent WR corps.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

St. Paul? I still reside in cold, dark and dull Wisconsin, so I get preseason games live over the air. On the play that knocked St. Paul our for the season, after St. Paul got the the sideline, one could see Rodgers glancing over at St. Paul for a second. Look on Rodgers face was, meh, no big loss.

There were plenty of Wu-Tang WRs in the last draft, especially DK Fucking Metcalf. Tex would’ve had a hardon for Mecole Hardiman - dude’s pretty much just a clone of women beater T-Hill. German Shepherd fucked up.

[run pMc]

Ostensibly 30 other GMs did too, since SEA stopped his fall when DK got drafted at the end of the 2nd round. Why oh why didn't Schneider take him in R1?

[run pMc]

So now we've got a St. Brown bandwagon in addition to the Sternberger one. Of the two, I prefer ESB. I still have a hope for Valdez-Scantling, though. Continue to develop MVS and ESB, and get max snaps from Adams and Lazard and hopefully a new speed burner like Duvernay, and that amounts to a very decent WR corps.

I think they need to draft 2 WRs. Someone like Duvernay probably won't be enough.
MVS disappeared, no idea if he'll re-emerge and they can do better than Allison and Kumerow. If the price is right, I wonder about them signing a vet WR while the youngsters develop. Finding Whitted's replacement will be important.

[Deputy Nutz]

There is multiple ways to address the receiver situation in Green Bay.

Scenario 1: The Draft
The Packers don't have a lot of cap money in the future with Rodgers contract and the Smith's contracts hitting their big cap hits in the next year or two so drafting cheap talent makes some sense. Wide receivers do tend to take a while to develop. There were people here that wanted Adams going after people thought he regressed his second year. So the draft is a gamble, and when it pays off it is usually two or three years down the road. Even a first round pick wouldn't be predicted to produce more than MVS.

There are two ways to attack this draft in terms of acquiring talent at the receiver position. The first is to take talent early in the draft, like in the first round. I am sure the Packers feel good about the talent in the receiver's room, otherwise they wouldn't have fired their WR coach. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. They are not looking to revamp the whole room. Draft one receiver relatively early, and then if a talent drops late on the last day of the draft and there is value there, draft them. The second approach to the draft is to wait and address other positions of need, especially if the depth of the receiver talent is as good as everyone is saying. With this approach you need to draft multiple receivers to locate the diamond in the rough. Similar to when Ron Wolfe drafted three corners in the first three rounds, or when Gute draft 3 receivers late in the 2018 draft.

I personally think there is some good talent that could make an impact in the 2020 season that could be had in the 3rd rounds and 4th rounds. So much with the receiver group is Combine dependent so I am willing to just wait before I compile a list of guys.

The second scenario is look at free agency. spend some money on short term contract of an aging talent and hope you can solidify the group for one maybe two years. I don't know how well this strategy has worked at TE, so I am not always a fan of drafting guys in their 30s with hopes that you get the younger version of them for one or two seasons.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Ostensibly 30 other GMs did too, since SEA stopped his fall when DK got drafted at the end of the 2nd round. Why oh why didn't Schneider take him in R1?

Who cares about the other GMs? Going into the season, wankers danced on the depth chart outside of Adams, and Adams ain't exactly Iron Man (dude can't be counted on to play every fucking game).

Pack might still be playing had German Shepherd drafted Metcalf, Hardman and Brown with his top 3 picks. Gary, Savage and Fucking Center were toothless in the Title Game.

Defense wins championships on neutral courts, but offense gets you homefield throughout the playoffs. No fucking way 69ners pound the rock up and down Pack's rear end at Lambeau.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

The scars of German Shepherd's incompetence remind me of Todd. They keep me thinking that we almost won it all.

Fucking up in the draft.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Btw: Todd was the Polar Bear b/c he loved to hibernate from May to April as he awaited the births of wally rookies.

Gutekunst is the German Shepherd b/c he's German, and as Shakespeare used to say, the owners are all but greedy wolves; the players all but sheep. The wolves exploit the sheeps egoistically, and when the sheeps are no longer profitable, the wolves belch 'em. A shepherd is manager of sheeps. Hence, German Shepherd.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

A'rite. Just finished dumping my "dinner". (Work graveyard shift so AM is my PM.) Gonna hit the showers, than watch Motherless New York. Look for my take in the Ismael Flicks thread.

Bye.