Mason Crosby Signs New Deal

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Packer Wire
Mason Crosby's new deal with Packers worth $12.9M over 3 years

[red]

Lot of money for a kicker

[call_me_ishmael]

I don't have a strong opinion either way but it would take a lot to convince me they wouldn't be better served having a minimum contract kicker and then an extra 3.5-4M for going towards additional depth on OL/DL in the form of a cap casualty or second tier one year older vet signing.

[Joemailman]

4.3 million per year makes him the 3rd highest paid kicker, but not much more than the 10th highest paid kicker. Paying one of the best kickers 2% of your salary cap is fine imo.

[Patler]

The Bears have gone through 6 kickers in four years since deciding it was time to move on from Robbie Gould. Kickers have cost them games, including a playoff game, missing easily makeable kicks.

The Vikings thought they hit a homerun drafting Blair Walsh to replace Ryan Longwell, who was at the end of his long career. Walsh was everything they could have hoped for in 2012, and as a rookie was cheap. In 2014, they weren't so sure he was the answer anymore. In 2016 they let him go, and his once promising career as an NFL kicker was done. They've used 4 kickers in 3 1/2 years since releasing Walsh.

Lessons to be learned:
If you have a reliable kicker who looks like he still has some years left in him, keep him.
Finding a replacement isn't always easy (Bears)
Even when you think you have a replacement initially, longevity may not be there (Vikings).

In 2017, the Packers thought they could save money and perhaps even do better than the reliable, consistent but not dominating Tim Masthay at punter. Since then, Vogel and Scott have given them some higher highs, but also much lower lows than Masthay did, including some real stinkers at critical times. Scott needs to prove himself in 2020.

$4M isn't a lot of money in the NFL salary world. I'm glad they signed Crosby.

[George Cumby]

Good to hear.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I love how whatever Patler shits, it's fact, and nobody - other than moi, of course - dares to debunk him.

Masthay was, in fact, Aaron Jones before anyone had ever heard of Aaron Jones: the mother of inconsistency. Perhaps that inconsistency played a role in Masthay's release. Perhaps Todd was just incompetent - ain't like Todd had never cut a bona fide NFL punter for a one and done abomination before. Vogel wasn't Masthay's successor. Workout warrior Jake Schum was - dude was such a great punter, he was one and done. In a league in which $4M ain't alotta frogskins, cutting a "reliable, consistent but not dominating" punter for an unproven workout warrior just to save $675 K is apparently wise.

Jon Ryan was cut by Todd in, what, 2008? It's 2020, and the Packers are still looking for Ryan's replacement.

Guttekusnt shoulda signed Cumby's cousin, Younghoo Koo, when the dude was grinding on the streets of Baltimore. Koo made 89% of his fg attempts last season. Crosby, 92%. Coulda gotten Koo for the minimum and only a 3% drop off.

https://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/32792/packers-swap-punters-claim-bucs-jacob-schum-cut-tim-masthay

Masthay won the Packers’ punting job in 2010...was inconsistent...Masthay was in the final season of a four-year, $5.465 million contract. He would have made $1.2 million...The Packers inherit Schum’s salary of $525,000.

[Zool]

I can't actually follow what you're trying to say. Put down the flesh light and type with 2 hands.

[red]

If that’s the going rate for a good kicker, then it’s a good signing

He’s one of the better ones in the nfl and pretty dependable after that one bad year he had, where fat dickhead had him trying like 2-55 yarders per game

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I can't actually follow what you're trying to say. Put down the flesh light and type with 2 hands.

Allow me to rephrase, since you clearly ain't as smart as Tex:

According to Patler, Masthay was a consistent punter. Why the fuck would Todd cut a consistent punter for an unproven commodity (Schum) just to save 675 K? Either Todd was incompetent, or Masthay was inconsistent. More likely, both - Todd once cut Ryan for Frost, after all; Masthay was indeed inconsistent.

Aaron Jones is the mother of inconsistency. Rarely ever produce magnificent games back to back. Scores 4 TDs in a game one week; rushes for 30 yards and poops out the rock the next. Aaron, eloquent bro of Moses one week; Erin, lumpenproletarian of Baltimore the next.

[run pMc]

Maybe compared to Scott et al Masthay was consistent LOL. FWIW, I didn't like how they dumped Masthay for Schum. I thought it was a bad move, and Vogel was let go at his request when they drafted Scott and he saw the writing on the wall.
Was Jon Ryan a free agent when he went to Seattle? You could also blame Wolf for letting Hentrich go.

All the same, I think if you have a reliable kicker and you think he's got some tread on the tires you keep him. It's not a huge part of your cap, especially in proportion to the importance of plays kickers are part of (KO, PA, FG).

I think you can get away with a pedestrian punter more easily than a pedestrian kicker. (Ideally you don't want either.)

I think it's a good signing. A bit front loaded I believe, which is team-smart for an aging kicker.

[Zool]

Allow me to rephrase, since you clearly ain't as smart as Tex:

According to Patler, Masthay was a consistent punter. Why the fuck would Todd cut a consistent punter for an unproven commodity (Schum) just to save 675 K? Either Todd was incompetent, or Masthay was inconsistent. More likely, both - Todd once cut Ryan for Frost, after all; Masthay was indeed inconsistent.

Aaron Jones is the mother of inconsistency. Rarely ever produce magnificent games back to back. Scores 4 TDs in a game one week; rushes for 30 yards and poops out the rock the next. Aaron, eloquent bro of Moses one week; Erin, lumpenproletarian of Baltimore the next.

Do you have any evidence to back this up? (he said knowing the answer). Here I'll let you do some research.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...M/MastTi99.htm

I'll even get you going. Masthay's best year was 45.6 avg. His worst was 43.5. Now start going game by game while taking weather into account and show me his inconsistency. Maybe you weren't a fan of his holding ability? How about the year he had 36 kick-offs. Is that where you see the inconsistency?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Do you have any evidence to back this up? (he said knowing the answer). Here I'll let you do some research.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...M/MastTi99.htm

I'll even get you going. Masthay's best year was 45.6 avg. His worst was 43.5. Now start going game by game while taking weather into account and show me his inconsistency. Maybe you weren't a fan of his holding ability? How about the year he had 36 kick-offs. Is that where you see the inconsistency?

If Demovsky said Masthay was inconsistent, then Masthay was inconsistent.

Gross punting averages are misleading. In a game, an inconsistent punter could hit a 60 yarder, 50 yarder, 40 yarder and an extraordinary 20 yard poop punt, and still end up with a nice gross average. Meanwhile the hotshot guy grossing 30 yard a pop while pinning the rock inside the 10 each time should be cut, right?

Masthay wasn't a good punter. Too inconsistent.

[Bretsky]

Allow me to rephrase, since you clearly ain't as smart as Tex:



Aaron Jones is the mother of inconsistency. Rarely ever produce magnificent games back to back. Scores 4 TDs in a game one week; rushes for 30 yards and poops out the rock the next. Aaron, eloquent bro of Moses one week; Erin, lumpenproletarian of Baltimore the next.

When you post bullshit like this as blatant facts you lose all future credibility.

This is ludicrous

[Bretsky]

If Crosby continues to be consistent, and we stay a winner, money well spent. I'm a fan