Predict their 2020 stat lines (Gary first)

[RashanGary]

I'll start with Gary. Even if everyone stays healthy he should see more playing time with Fackrell gone .

Shoulder 100%
Good off-season of work
2nd year in defense
Focused on football not the draft

Signs point up.


40 tackles
8 TFL
8 sacks
40 pressures

R-E-L-A-X

He's 22 years old! New position, new team, new techniques. It'll come together!

[run pMc]

I think your numbers are extremely optimistic. Maybe by Year 3 he approximates some of those numbers.

For context, these were Gary's 2019 numbers: 21 Tkl (13 Solo), 3 TFL, 2 Sk, 7.5 pressures.

In the spirit of the original post, I'll play along and predict 31Tkl (18 Solo), 5 TFL, 3.5 Sk, 12 pressures

The increase in production would come from a combination of developing as a player and an increase in snaps.
Asking a raw athlete like Gary to quadruple his sack/pressure numbers is very ambitious unless one of the Smiths is hurt and Pettine gets very creative in scheming him. Gary never even had 8 sacks in a college season.

[RashanGary]

I think your numbers are extremely optimistic. Maybe by Year 3 he approximates some of those numbers.

For context, these were Gary's 2019 numbers: 21 Tkl (13 Solo), 3 TFL, 2 Sk, 7.5 pressures.

In the spirit of the original post, I'll play along and predict 31Tkl (18 Solo), 5 TFL, 3.5 Sk, 12 pressures

The increase in production would come from a combination of developing as a player and an increase in snaps.
Asking a raw athlete like Gary to quadruple his sack/pressure numbers is very ambitious unless one of the Smiths is hurt and Pettine gets very creative in scheming him. Gary never even had 8 sacks in a college season.

Neither did JJ Watt or Frank Clark. But here we are

[Zool]

ASRH, 4 sacks, 20 pressures. If Frackle is back, he will match his rookie numbers.

[RashanGary]

ASRH, 4 sacks, 20 pressures. If Frackle is back, he will match his rookie numbers.

4 sacks will be a disappointment.

[Zool]

4 sacks will be a disappointment.

He's going to play about 20% of the snaps unless a Smith gets hurt. That would be a good number.

[Joemailman]

It's unlikely Packers will remain as healthy in 2020 as they were in 2019, so a Smith could lose some time. Besides, they might be better at the end of the season if their snap counts are reduced some. Plus, Holy Fackrell probably won't be back.

40 tackles, 25 solo, 7 sacks, 10 TFL

[run pMc]

Neither did JJ Watt or Frank Clark. But here we are

I think a JJ Watt like jump would be a shock -- JJ Watt was a much better player than Gary in college, and that was switching from a TE to DL after transferring from CMU to WI. Frank Clark might be a better comparison -- same school, similar production (Clark's was better). Interesting (to me) that Clark has gone from a LB to a DE, where Gary is doing the opposite. I worry the "experts" might be right in believing Gary is best as a 4-3 DE or inside rusher on 3rd downs...in which case he's likely miscast for his skill set.

I'm just curious if anyone has seen something up to now in Gary to believe he will become a Frank Clark. I ask that as a serious question -- I haven't seen enough of Gary to really say.
I would be happy if Gary made any significant leap, and I'd be especially happy to be wrong for doubting it will be a Watt/Clark jump.

[RashanGary]

It VERY probably won't be anything like Watt.

But it will probably be better than 4 sacks IMOl

[Joemailman]

Wonder if teams look at RAS scores.

[Bretsky]

I'm gong to shit on some of the kool aide in here


31 tackles,
5 sacks,
7 TFL

And he's going to see a lot of snaps because Fackrell is going to be gone and we'll have some injuries and the coaches push him onto the filed with the same blind faith the GM had that his athleticism will lead to production

The season is going to reinforce that drafting Rashan Gary was the mother-load of fucks ups at pick number 12, a slot high enough for a reasonable fan to expect IMMEDIATE production.

After his contract is up we'll see Brian Burns and Jeffrey Simmons already making Pro Bowls while we don't extend Gary because we finally figured out you don't draft based on the combine, you draft for the production and film. And like Michigan, he's an underachiever in Green Bay

[RashanGary]

5 sacks isn't that bad for a young second year guy. 8-10 is solid production from a guy in his prime.

But yeah, it didn't start as well as I had expected or hoped.

[RashanGary]

His length, size, explosion and speed, combined with his work ethic and "want to" make him a good bet to be better in his second year at a new position in a new scheme.

[Bretsky]

His length, size, explosion and speed, combined with his work ethic and "want to" make him a good bet to be better in his second year at a new position in a new scheme.

Maybe I"m blind, but I haven't heard anything, good or bad, on his work ethic. But I agree he'll be better. I could care less about a new scheme; players still produce if they are players across the NFL as rookies. Everybody has a new scheme when they are rookies. he's been a total disappointment so far.

[red]

It VERY probably won't be anything like Watt.

But it will probably be better than 4 sacks IMOl

The most he ever had in college was 5.5 in a season

As the main pass rusher

Hard to see him getting more then that in the pros

Hell, he only had 3.5 his last year in college

How the hell was he a top 10 pick?