Robinson signed to two year deal

[Terry]

I cant understand why people wont give KR his last chance cuz this will most likely be his last. Like I said in a earlier post, he could have killed someone but didnt. Little from the Rams, straight up killed someone. Not hurt, killed. I read the SI article a long time ago. Made me want to puke. he didnt understand why the family wouldnt accept his apology. Guess he figured getting another DUI after all that would make them feel better that he took a wife and mothers life and yet not only is he a free man, he is a very rich one too!

I'm not against the signing, but just for the sake of proper perspective, Little isn't really a legitimate comparison. Little had no background of such behaviour. He screwed up big time and paid his penalty. He has devoted more community service (and still does, I think) than the judge sentenced him to, following his jail time. He seems quite shaken by what happened, as most of us would be, and this will probably haunt him his entire life. Little represents an entirely different kind of scenario.

[Terry]

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. Civil trials following criminal trials have happened forever. Different issues, different standards of proof. It is not that unusual for someone to be both "not guilty" when the standard is "beyond a reasonable doubt" and the verdict must be unanimous; and found civilly liable for damages ($) when the standard is some form of a "preponderance of evidence" and the verdict requires only a simple majority of the jurors.

Yes, Patler, I'm aware of the differences. And perhaps I exaggerated. Furthermore, if the history of jurisprudence in America prior to, say, 1980, is filled with the occasional but regular occurences of an acquitted murder suspect being sued successfully by families of victims, I stand corrected. I didn't know this.

If you are talking primarily about convicted murderers or other type criminals then also being sued for the families to get recompense, I think that's an entirely different type of situation.

So let me rephrase. In the OJ case, with all the high publicity, what disturbed me was exemplified by what Red wrote - the public perception that a murderer was convicted and still is able to walk around free. That's not the case.

[MadtownPacker]

I'm not against the signing, but just for the sake of proper perspective, Little isn't really a legitimate comparison. Little had no background of such behaviour. He screwed up big time and paid his penalty. He has devoted more community service (and still does, I think) than the judge sentenced him to, following his jail time. He seems quite shaken by what happened, as most of us would be, and this will probably haunt him his entire life. Little represents an entirely different kind of scenario.

He had no background or had just never been caught? How much jail time did he serve? If he was so shaken why did he get ANOTHER DUI after?

[MadtownPacker]

The NFL suspended him for ONLY eight games and he was sentenced to 90 days in a halfway house. For killing someone??

6 years later he got another DUI! Is say he has quite a background now.

Little, 29, was arrested shortly before 4 a.m. Saturday after police in the St. Louis suburb of Ladue pulled him over for reportedly traveling 78 mph in a 55-mph zone on Interstate 64

[Fosco33]

The NFL suspended him for ONLY eight games and he was sentenced to 90 days in a halfway house. For killing someone??

6 years later he got another DUI! Is say he has quite a background now.

Little, 29, was arrested shortly before 4 a.m. Saturday after police in the St. Louis suburb of Ladue pulled him over for reportedly traveling 78 mph in a 55-mph zone on Interstate 64

'Authorities said Little's blood alcohol level was nearly twice the legal limit.'

So, this guy gets suspended for half a year for driving at about .16 and killing someone - how can Robinson get suspended for a year for .09 and speeding/evading? I could see like 4 games as reasonable with these standards.

[Rastak]

The NFL suspended him for ONLY eight games and he was sentenced to 90 days in a halfway house. For killing someone??

6 years later he got another DUI! Is say he has quite a background now.

Little, 29, was arrested shortly before 4 a.m. Saturday after police in the St. Louis suburb of Ladue pulled him over for reportedly traveling 78 mph in a 55-mph zone on Interstate 64

'Authorities said Little's blood alcohol level was nearly twice the legal limit.'

So, this guy gets suspended for half a year for driving at about .16 and killing someone - how can Robinson get suspended for a year for .09 and speeding/evading? I could see like 4 games as reasonable with these standards.

Where was Little in the subastance abuse program? Strike 1 2 3 or 4?
Robinson's next suspension is MANDATED at one year I think. He already did his 4 game suspension and couldn't be bothered with complying with the terms laid down by the league.


By the way, I'm amazed Little didn't get a nice stretch in the brick shithouse for what he did. League suspension is nothing.

[Terry]

He had no background or had just never been caught? How much jail time did he serve? If he was so shaken why did he get ANOTHER DUI after?

Well, I dunno what he hasn't been caught at. I also don't know that what a felon does not get caught at worries me any more than what anyone else doesn't get caught at.

Why don't we walk into some school anywhere, pick some male teacher at random (preferably a single one), and start asking students, "How do we know he's not homosexual?" and then keep watch for a year or two to see how much damage can be done to a human being by 'only' asking a question about possibilities?

I didn't know he had another DUI six years after. But I didn't say he wasn't stupid, I just said he was shaken. Nothing about having another DUI contradicts that.

[MadtownPacker]

Well, I dunno what he hasn't been caught at. I also don't know that what a felon does not get caught at worries me any more than what anyone else doesn't get caught at.

Why don't we walk into some school anywhere, pick some male teacher at random (preferably a single one), and start asking students, "How do we know he's not homosexual?" and then keep watch for a year or two to see how much damage can be done to a human being by 'only' asking a question about possibilities?

I didn't know he had another DUI six years after. But I didn't say he wasn't stupid, I just said he was shaken. Nothing about having another DUI contradicts that.

How do we know "he's not homosexual"??? Since when is that illegal? I think you have answered many questions with that comment.

My point that you are obviously missing is that KR messed up, yes, but Little has done much worse then violate the NFLs little policy and he still plays.

Talk to me when KR has actually hurt someone but keep avoiding that Little has KILLED someone.

Dont say its not the same cuz both where driving and both where drunk.

[Patler]

So let me rephrase. In the OJ case, with all the high publicity, what disturbed me was exemplified by what Red wrote - the public perception that a murderer was convicted and still is able to walk around free. That's not the case.

I don't think Red had it wrong, except for perhaps the use of the term "guilty". The civil trial did find OJ responsible for the deaths, hence the award of damages to the plaintiffs. In my perception most people think he was guilty, should have been convicted, but was acquitted because of a combination of police not doing their best, prosecuters being out matched by OJ's defense team, the defense team confusing the issues, celebrities rarely being convicted, etc. The civil trial merely adds credibility to that belief.

I often wonder how that trial would go today. DNA evidence was quite new when they used it at the OJ trial. I wonder if the prosecuters would have handled it better. He probably still would have walked, based on the celebrity factor. I always wondered why the state didn't put someone on the stand to explain that if you mishandle evidence it might destroy DNA evidence, but it doesn't turn someone else's DNA into OJ's.

[Rastak]

Well, I dunno what he hasn't been caught at. I also don't know that what a felon does not get caught at worries me any more than what anyone else doesn't get caught at.

Why don't we walk into some school anywhere, pick some male teacher at random (preferably a single one), and start asking students, "How do we know he's not homosexual?" and then keep watch for a year or two to see how much damage can be done to a human being by 'only' asking a question about possibilities?

I didn't know he had another DUI six years after. But I didn't say he wasn't stupid, I just said he was shaken. Nothing about having another DUI contradicts that.

How do we know "he's not homosexual"??? Since when is that illegal? I think you have answered many questions with that comment.

My point that you are obviously missing is that KR messed up, yes, but Little has done much worse then violate the NFLs little policy and he still plays.

Talk to me when KR has actually hurt someone but keep avoiding that Little has KILLED someone.

Dont say its not the same cuz both where driving and both where drunk.

Hey Mad, do the world of criminals a favor and don't ever become a defense lawyer....


Your honor, my client may be an asshole but this other guy is even worse....

[MJZiggy]

Patler, Maybe they thought that was obvious.

[MadtownPacker]

Hey Mad, do the world of criminals a favor and don't ever become a defense lawyer....


Your honor, my client may be an asshole but this other guy is even worse....

Well, I kind of do that with you:

Rastak is a bad but no where near as bad as VT!! HAHAHA

OK Im gonna let up. This has been a good discussion and I respect Terry and all non-viking fans opinions!

[Terry]

How do we know "he's not homosexual"??? Since when is that illegal? I think you have answered many questions with that comment.

No, I haven't. Don't be silly. I picked that example because a brilliant teacher in my old HS had his life ruined by such a false accusation (the board found him innocent of the charges that he had molested someone) and he died not long after in the gutter. I also picked it because it's not illegal and so aptly illustrates how a life can be changed by the suggestions that can be planted in people's minds by questions based on hypotheticals.

Patler, I agree about the prosecutors being outmatched in the OJ case. They put up a very poor case. And they had a witness who very likely would have made all the difference to the jury (at least according to one jurmy member) who they wouldn't put on the stand.

However, the fact that OJ got off only makes me wonder how many people have gone down in spite of poor prosecution. The Sam Shepard case was a classic. Dorothy Kilgallen (sp?) wrote at the time that there was no way a jury should have convicted that man. She didn't know if he had bludgeoned his wife to death or not, but the prosecution put forth absolutely no case.

Being a firm believer in something Mark Twain said - that it's better to have 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man go to jail - I'm far more concerned with the travesties of justice that that poor prosecution team may have represented in terms of the innocent jailed than I am about someone going free.

[the_idle_threat]

Steven Avery would agree with you on that.

[swede]

something Mark Twain said - that it's better to have 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man go to jail

My friends in law enforcement who pick up the same scum over and over for different violent crimes only to have the local DA let them go again would say that Mark Twain is presently getting his wish.