What’s your early take on Jordan Love?

[MadtownPacker]

Good size, Good feet, fast adjustment, quick ball release, strong arm, accurate both in pocket and on the move, 27 Wonderlic

That’s what I like.

How did he do on the condescending eyerolls test?

[MadtownPacker]

Talent is there IMO; said that for months

The bads: Decision making, bad reads, and character risk

Sounds like the good times are back in GB!!

[Packers4Glory]

Talent is there IMO; said that for months

The bads: Decision making, bad reads, and character risk

character risks? I've not seen that.

is it decision making or was it an offense thing having changed coaching staffs from Jr to Sr because Jr year decision making was excellent.

reading defenses is where he needs to grow. I think I saw he's fine on man to man but zones give him issues. that can be learned.

[bobblehead]

This is the most glass half full report I read:

NFC scout: “First round for sure. I have him No. 2 behind Tua (Tagovailoa). Super talented, moxie, excellent feel. He throws the ball from all the angles: on the move, under pressure. Has vision. Had a lot of picks: ‘I’m just going to throw this ball in there.’ He’s under siege just about every time he drops back because his offensive line is not good. He’s got nowhere close to NFL receivers; they can’t get open and drop balls. He has to elevate his game on every play and elevate the whole team on every play. One of the best plays you’ll see was in the LSU game when he escapes the pocket and he’s out on the move and throws the ball across his body and it hits (the receiver) in the chest and he drops the ball. That’s just kind of him in a nutshell. I’d prefer it if he goes somewhere where he doesn’t have to play next year.”

And this is the opposite:

AFC scout: “I’m not a fan. Everybody else seems to be. Does he make smart decisions? I don’t think so. Average arm strength. Slow decision-maker. I don’t know if he reads coverages. Wide receivers have to work to make tough adjustment catches. Elusive, not fast. Everybody keeps telling me 2018 was different. Why did he regress? There’s a lot of excuses. Somebody’s going to take a shot here. I don’t know if it’s worth it. Some people have tried to compare him to Mahomes but I don’t see it.”

[Fritz]

It was time to draft the future.

I was taken aback when I read that the Packers had taken this guy. I would have preferred that they had tried to move ahead of Baltimore and get Queen, or trade back and get an extra pick. Those were the scenarios I'd been hoping for.

Here are a few observations:

-It's crazy that Tex, the ultimate Aaron Rodgers lover (I waste no time getting into the bad puns), sounds eminently more reasonable about this pick than others on this board.

-No one seems to have mentioned yet (though I might have missed it) that this is also a huge, huge test for LeFleur. Can he develop a QB?

-More than a few posters are worried that Rodgers will take this news badly and be pissy. Two things: we've been talking for a couple years now that Rodgers is pissy, and getting pissier. So what's changed there? Is he going to roll his eyes even more now? Dude was already acting like a prima donna. Secondly, Would he be any less pissy next year if you took a QB then?

Here's another point about the "we shoulda waited until next year" crowd: this assumes that your future starting QB can just be plucked off a tree. Several posters have said Rodgers gets this team eight wins alone. So say he does that next year, but the rest of the team lets him down (because so many of you think the team is bereft of talent). They go 8 - 8, and draft 15th or 16th. From what I have read of this Love kid, he's got incredible physical tools, just top-notch. But he's as raw as a turnip and needs lots and lots of development. Those guys don't come along that often - each year you get your top top tier guys with the skills and the development, and in most drafts you then get a bunch of marginal dudes. A guy like this (incredible skills but poor development) is not likely to be available next year. This was a unique opportunity as I see it - the guy has mad skills, but teams saw a project, and who has time for that in the NFL? Well, not many teams - but the Packers do. IF Rodgers's health holds up, and that's a question mark, Green Bay (specifically, The Flower) will have two years to develop this kid. If it works, you got your franchise quarterback at the end of the first round. That doesn't happen often, Jackson nothwithstanding. And if it doesn't work, well, Gutey may hang on that choice.

-This is definitely the defining moment of Gute's career. If this backfires, then he's going to go down as a Ted wannabe. His first draft class outside of Jaire already looks shaky. This pick will define Gute's legacy. He made some smart FA signings last year, but you can't make a living doing that every year - it costs too much. At some point you've got to prove your mettle as a draft guru. This is the moment for him.

- The Packers are looking ahead. I think the win-now mentality is often the undoing of many teams. Case in point: the Lions. They got the ultimatum from Martha Ford to win this year, and so they did not take a franchise QB and could not trade down to get extra picks. So they got a very talented corner, but one they probably could've gotten three or four picks later. The mandate to win now cost them, I think. The Packers are planning for life after Rodgers, and this Love kid has the tools (though whether they can develop those tools is an open question). This organization is the perfect landing spot for that kid. IF Rodgers stays healthy, the kid has a couple years to figure it all out. Maybe even three. And the team has a fifth year option, so they'll know for sure by year four if he's the guy. If he is, you got him and you extend him. If he's not, you dump him, fire Gute (if he's not already gone or won a couple SB's), and start again.

- Oh, and GBBrandon, who is absolutely shitting his pants, has said that this kid is a character risk, and posted a link - and the link led to an article about marijuana possession. Okay, if that's his worst, then 90% of NFL players are dangerous character risks. The kid is probably dumb - he IS a kid, and he's probably arrogant - like all talented young QB's - and he maybe immature, and maybe is an asshat. But we've seen all that before. Time can help mature him.

-Finally, let's all look at what the Ultimate Talent Evaluator has to say about this kid. And I quote: "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails."

Sounds like it could work out. I'm willing to wait. But was it what I wanted? No. I'd be much happier if Patrick Queen were a Packer today. Or if we were talking about who the Packers would take tonight with their first pick at the beginning of the second round, and whether they'd package their two fourth rounders to try to get back into the third round so they could grab another high-end receiver or an offensive lineman or a cornerback. Or something.

[mraynrand]

-Finally, let's all look at what the Ultimate Talent Evaluator has to say about this kid. And I quote: "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails."

"I like this. It's not true, but I like it"

[Zool]

And I've seen your flag on the marble arch
And Love is not a victory march
He's a cold and he's a broken Hallelujah!

[bobblehead]

My early take on this pick is that Gutes is no TT. Trading back for capital and still getting any number of WR was the play. My bigger reaction....its a damn good thing Gutes is active in FA cuz he drafts like old people fuck.

[run pMc]

Fritz for the win

[mraynrand]

My early take on this pick is that Gutes is no TT. Trading back for capital and still getting any number of WR was the play. My bigger reaction....its a damn good thing Gutes is active in FA cuz he drafts like old people fuck.

Interesting that you use this comparison. I would not want to see your browser history.

[pbmax]

[Zool]

[mraynrand]

Love is a battlefield

[Zool]

Kiper has the Packers in his "winners of round one" section.


Green Bay Packers
The pick: Jordan Love, QB, Utah State (No. 26)

I love this landing spot for Love, a developmental quarterback who had a rough season after the Aggies lost a ton of talent around him. He threw 17 interceptions (most in the FBS), but you can't blame him for all of those. And you also can't coach the arm talent he has. Yes, the Packers traded a fourth-round pick to move up four spots to get Love, but Matt LaFleur now gets a young quarterback who can sit behind Aaron Rodgers and learn, just as Rodgers did all those years ago under Brett Favre.

Rodgers might not like the pick, but he is 36 and can't play forever. He knows he's not on the clock -- he has been there. Green Bay still has the talent to win now, but I like the move thinking long term. And look for Green Bay to target a wide receiver on Day 2.

[mraynrand]

Great, Kiper likes the pick: that's a huge strike against Love