Gutekunst's 2020 Plan Revealed

[GB-Brandon]

you could have fooled me. You come across as happy as a pig rolling in shit. But here's the thing. You're so invested in this going south, how are you going to handle it if you're wrong? Because right now, you're just guessing. And so are all the talking heads who read the same stuff you did. Packers need a great WR, a great ILB, and a OT otherwise the universe will end. But maybe not. And you have to wait and see. But you've put yourself on the side where you almost have to hope they fail. Enjoy.

No No No. I follow this team as close as a beat reporter. I attend training camp. This is my hobby. I’ve been saying they needed “receivers” for about three years now. This is not a hidden secret. These guys for the most part outside of Adams can’t win one on one. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. No QB is gonna make them great or prosper with them. Not Tom Brady and not Aaron Rodgers and not nobody.

Their EVIL. They are the ones that ignore the position over and over. They are the one’s that act smarter then everyone else. If I was calling the shots it would be a track meet at Lambeau. A Ferrari with Snow Tires. Don’t get it twisted.

And with all this I would be happy to be wrong and eat crow however what I am witnessing with Packers is a form of INSANITY where eventually it will not be fun anymore. Not because I don’t love the Packers but because I can’t support there Insanity and Evil behavior and their dysfunctional behavior.

Like I said earlier season ticket waits lists are about to plummet. It’s gonna be a bad economy and people aren’t gonna continue to line up to pay for a shity product with less spending $. Lambeau or no Lambeau. “Love Jokes and songs” will get old very quickly with a loser.

[mraynrand]

Ya lost me for good at “their EVIL”

[GB-Brandon]

Ya lost me for good at “their EVIL”

Years of 3-13 and 4-12 will lose many.

Remember that.

[GB-Brandon]

Don’t hate the Player Hate the Game.

I’m not the crazy asshole pulling the levers for all this bullshit and putting a storied franchise in the Toilet!!

[GB-Brandon]

Please trade him

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2888484-peter-king-aaron-rodgers-is-pissed-off-after-packers-drafted-jordan-love

He doesn’t deserve this. He is better then all this dysfunction!!!

Let him go.

[Zool]

Be like Elsa

[Fritz]

A historically talented WR class + Green Bay desperately needs WR talent + no WR selected = mass confusion.

The Jordan Love selection's impact is unknown and potentially significant. I'm not arguing that pick. But the rest? I hope it's in the vein of a classic TT draft where I have no idea who any of these players are, he selects none that I want, and it ends up being among the best drafts in the league. But looking at it now, this is confusing and disheartening. I think we needed WRs. Gute & M4 apparently didn't agree or didn't think the value was there. In a historic draft, how can the value not be there?

Only two skill positions taken, and neither of them have the primary skill set of catching the ball. Statistics say Rodgers' receivers dropped significantly more passes than anyone else, and we didn't get someone to make that instantly better?

I'm an armchair GM (read: not even a scout), but this draft puts my benefit of the doubt on thin ice. I just don't know what to think.

This is a superb post and absolutely sums up my thinking about this draft, Gute, and the direction of the organization. Well-written, too.

[Joemailman]

Years of 3-13 and 4-12 will lose many.

Remember that.

So your theory is that they're going to go from 13-3 to 3-13 because they didn't draft the guys you wanted. Got it.

[pbmax]

The plan is to apparently keep on trucking in the short term on offense. Take a little load off Jones, replace Williams with someone more explosive and to perhaps run a bit more play action and 2 TE (though I don't think you can pencil in the Cincy TE for a lot of snaps yet).

People keep yelping about how WR was the #1 need. I might even have posted something along those lines. But the actual #1 priority from a talent standpoint, before the strength of the draft was revealed, was ILB.

They replaced Martinez with Kirksey, who, if healthy, should be an upgrade. But that is potentially a big if, and plan B looks more awful than last year. But help is not forthcoming on the D line. So the defensive improvement will come from the coaches getting a better scheme out there and better execution. Not what I was hoping for.

Normally, this is where I'd start joking about the second year jump guys. Or third year WR. But with no offseason, its anyone's guess what happens.

I am glad Gute seems to be listening to his coach about what kind of offense he wants to run. But I am not sure the team is better right now.

I said it in another thread and Smidgeon and Fritz talk about it above. I really hope this is a Ted draft where three starters emerge where you did not see them on draft weekend. We'll see.

[mraynrand]

Be like Elsa

No

[pbmax]

[GB-Brandon]

So your theory is that they're going to go from 13-3 to 3-13 because they didn't draft the guys you wanted. Got it.

Sure, I had some favorites but this reasoning cuts much deeper then that and more into the situation as a whole and not addressing team needs while sending signals of a philosophy change.

1. The Aaron Rodgers situation- Whether you think Jordan Love is a future HOF QB or not this was not handled correctly. Trading up in the 1st round to get this guy was just ridiculous. This whole “Rodgers Plays Better Pissed off” has worn. I’m quite certain Rodgers would play better with a top receiver then being pissed off because the front office chopped him off at the knees yet once again. Love offers us NOTHING for probably at least 2-3 years on top of all this. These are the type of “Development Picks” that can usually be found in mid-rounds. There are rumblings that Rodgers is already upset. This is the worst direction Gute could of went. I really thought there was no way the Packers could screw this draft up and they proved dynamically they could. Rodgers should not only be pissed but he should be DEMANDING a trade. This situation will only get hotter as we move forward. It will be far worse then the Favre situation because it is a different situation when you consider Rodgers isn’t threatening retirement, the overall state of the team and social media, media coverage that will magnify everything.

2. Now that we try to move past that the Packers have done very little to address glaring needs. By addition and subtraction the roster is not as good as it was lets say after the Niners game. Not only did the Packers lose a key piece at RT and ILB but they did very little to replace them other then bringing in cheaper versions that both have injury concerns. Then at WR they “stayed stubborn” continuing to ignore it with only adding another cheap injury prone player. The D-line is not set up at this point to be any better. There appears to also be a need at slot corner. Holes, holes and more holes.

3. So now you have a team that will have some players and fans questioning the vision and direction. It will be interesting to see the overall “buy in” with what basically cancels out the chance of Aaron Rodgers ever winning a Super Bowl again with the Packers. Let’s be honest here and understand that this organization was 2-14, 3-13 without Aaron Rodgers and it was proven every time he has been injured. Without him during these times the pathetic roster building was exposed for all too see. The sum of all the parts together equaled just a very untalented football team. This is where the comparisons start with some of those bad Cleveland Browns teams. For many seasons we were those very same bad Cleveland Browns teams with Aaron Rodgers being the ultimate equalizer in games against flat out better teams and willing us to 10-6 over and over.

4. So the cold winters in Green Bay are about to get colder. Evil has arrived at our door step with a front office that would rather try to look smarter then everyone else opposed to just doing what’s right. This team couldn’t win without Rodgers for the past decade and they have done absolutely zero to say they can do it now. It obviously has to play out but my confidence level in regards to the Packers is at an all time ever low.

[beveaux1]

Our GM's comments reflect exactly what I think happened during the draft. His plan was to draft one of the 5 or 6 WRs that had a 1st round grade and could provide immediate help. I think the back-up plan (no pun intended) was to pick Love if he was not selected earlier in the round.

I think the plan for the 2nd round was to draft a WR with a 2nd level grade that could be integrated more slowly into the offense. By the time we were on the clock, all of those receivers were gone. Our GM chose to pick someone that would provide immediate help to the offense at a position that does not need years to develop. So, he drafted a RB.

By the time we got to the 3rd round, he didn't have a WR on his board that he felt could provide any more help to the team than those already on the roster. He chose a TE that they liked to compete with Tonyan and Sternberger.

The problem was that they used a 4th round pick to move up to select Love. That meant that they couldn't move in the 2nd to choose Mims (if that was their choice) due to needing depth at ILB and OL.

The net result was a draft that doesn't look very good on paper at addressing our most immediate needs and probably doesn't make us a lot stronger in the short term. It may (big guess here) have strong upside in the longer term.

[beveaux1]

I don't think the draft was a signal to Rodgers that we don't want him anymore or that his QB play was shoddy the past year. It was an acknowledgement that he's a 36 year old QB and we have to plan for the future.

I'm also of the opinion that ILB was not really on their list as a 1st round need. I don't think OT was on their list either unless one of the top couple of OTs fell to them.

Offense was the need and they think they addressed it the best they could.

[pbmax]

Trading up in the second round became much harder when they decided they needed to move up to get Love.