Guts or Glory

[mraynrand]

Once again for the last time. My issue is the Packers “UNWILLINGNESS” to take the WR position seriously with a generational talent at QB. I completely understand some picks flame out but we have not even tried and that is the FACT!!!

There lies the issue.

As a shorthand, you could just write: “Where is Padme?”

[run pMc]

Gonna pull a Peter King:

1. I think Rodgers is still pretty good, but I'm not sure he's a Top 5 QB anymore. Don't spaz out, I said he's still pretty good.
2. I think a great QB is more important than a great WR. A great QB can -- and as we've seen -- often does, make chicken salad out of you-know-what.
C. I think last year's offense had a lot of M3 in it, and MLF wants to get rid of that. MLF's offense (and others that are similar) don't depend on great receivers. Who was SF starting at WR before they traded for Sanders?
C.2 I also think MLF wants to take away some of the audibles and freelancing Rodgers was doing, probably to protect Rodgers from himself as anything else. I have a feeling that drives MLF nuts.
%. I don't think they are rebuilding or giving up on Rodgers. I think they are looking to balance the offense more and give him more manageable down/distance to work with, as well as better play action big play opportunities. Think TEN with Tannehill, but better. Not necessarily my favorite style, but if it works and keeps Rodgers healthy and lethally efficient, I'm cool with it.
vi. I think Rodgers might be pissed off, but I don't think he's gonna pout about it. I think he's way too competitive, and will hold a kind of grudge to play out of his mind good to show Gute et al. that drafting Love instead of ... say, Tee Higgins ... was a big big mistake. I think he's going to want to take it out on defenses this year.
H.v.2.ii Finally, I think Gute drafted for the future, which is exactly what a GM should do. (He didn't do it at the positions I would have but whatever, I guess???) Rookies rarely make big contributions or start in Week 1 unless you have major holes/talent issues on your roster. Draft and develop is the name of the game.

[GB-Brandon]

Gonna pull a Peter King:

1. I think Rodgers is still pretty good, but I'm not sure he's a Top 5 QB anymore. Don't spaz out, I said he's still pretty good.
2. I think a great QB is more important than a great WR. A great QB can -- and as we've seen -- often does, make chicken salad out of you-know-what.
C. I think last year's offense had a lot of M3 in it, and MLF wants to get rid of that. MLF's offense (and others that are similar) don't depend on great receivers. Who was SF starting at WR before they traded for Sanders?
C.2 I also think MLF wants to take away some of the audibles and freelancing Rodgers was doing, probably to protect Rodgers from himself as anything else. I have a feeling that drives MLF nuts.
%. I don't think they are rebuilding or giving up on Rodgers. I think they are looking to balance the offense more and give him more manageable down/distance to work with, as well as better play action big play opportunities. Think TEN with Tannehill, but better. Not necessarily my favorite style, but if it works and keeps Rodgers healthy and lethally efficient, I'm cool with it.
vi. I think Rodgers might be pissed off, but I don't think he's gonna pout about it. I think he's way too competitive, and will hold a kind of grudge to play out of his mind good to show Gute et al. that drafting Love instead of ... say, Tee Higgins ... was a big big mistake. I think he's going to want to take it out on defenses this year.
H.v.2.ii Finally, I think Gute drafted for the future, which is exactly what a GM should do. (He didn't do it at the positions I would have but whatever, I guess???) Rookies rarely make big contributions or start in Week 1 unless you have major holes/talent issues on your roster. Draft and develop is the name of the game.

This has already been posted. The Niners do VALUE RECEiVERS. They traded for Sanders last year and drafted Deebo Samuel(2nd round) last year and traded up in 1st this year to draft Brandon Aiyuk. They also have the best receiving TE in the NFL. The Titans value receivers as well. They have invested a No.5 pick in the draft on Cory Davis along with a 2nd round pick in AJ Brown last year. Both teams have multiple high value weapons that can beat you if you crowd the box to try and stop the run game.

Please quit making points that are simply not true.

The bottom line is the Packers don’t have a no.2 receiver other then plugging Devin Funches in there. I hope this works but once again counting on a guy who is injury prone and has a combined 47 catches in the last two seasons is less then ideal. We need to add something here if you really want to be considered a legitimate contender.

As far as Rodgers it’s pretty easy to come to some kind of speculation that he might be upset. I mean this is way bigger then losing his QB coach. Rodgers also has every right to be upset about what’s happened and would be warranted. We don’t know how angry he is but I am sure where there is smoke there is some type of fire. Well find out soon enough how upset he is. As far as this “it’s gonna motivate him to go to some elite level” I believe is very wishful thinking. The guy is already in the HOF and has zero to prove. He can come in and beat out Jordan Love with basically just going through the motions. Beating out Jordyn Love means nothing to him. All Rodgers wants to do is WIN A SUPER BOWL. He has been in the league a long time and has a pretty good understanding of what is required on his side. With having a bunch of WR’s that can’t get open consistently it really doesn’t matter how mad he gets or how well he plays. So Rodgers NEEDS the Packers to supply him with what other contending teams are supplying to their respective QB’s.

I Believe it’s Pretty Simple.

[pbmax]

I actually agree with Brandon mostly. The lack of attention to WR seems contrary to most of the Shanahan coaching tree. Though its a mixed bag in Washington.

Thy drafted Hankerson and had Santana Moss and Garcon. Cooley and then Reed were the big targets.

[Sparkey]

How many years does it take to transition offense or defense ? Three ?

To me, this looks no different than when teams transition from a 4/3 to a 3/4.

You start with veterans that have played the scheme and then you draft players that fit the mold. AJ Dillon, for example.


Personally, the transition is a long time coming. How many times did we watch our offense score at will in 2 minutes and the the D gets worn down by the other teams O.

[GB-Brandon]

How many years does it take to transition offense or defense ? Three ?

To me, this looks no different than when teams transition from a 4/3 to a 3/4.

You start with veterans that have played the scheme and then you draft players that fit the mold. AJ Dillon, for example.


Personally, the transition is a long time coming. How many times did we watch our offense score at will in 2 minutes and the the D gets worn down by the other teams O.

As far as the offense goes its not as simple as going from a 3-4 to 4-3. I don’t believe anybody can give you an accurate time. I believe if they could do it in 2-3 years then that would be a huge success. It will not happen in one year but it will transform more then last year. More things will be implemented in it as they get more of the correct pieces and they definitely have some work to do.

Ultimately they want to get two huge Beefcake Tackles that fit the scheme. I don’t believe Bakh fits the long term plan of the scheme. I would be shocked if he was re-singed.

Right now with this draft they were trying to get some of the guts needed. As much as some people think I’m a “doom and gloomer” I actually have good report cards for this draft with the “caveat” of the vision in place. So while i don’t like the vision considering Rodgers they are doing a pretty good job of creating their vision.

Dillon is a horse and if he went to Alabama or LSU he would of been a 1st round pick. He went to Boston College so we got him at the end of the second round. If you saw him at the combine you were like “holy shit” and he has the tape to back it up. He is there “Derrick Henry” and Dillon was one of my favorite players in college football. I had him mocked to us in some of my mocks. I believe he is gonna be a star and a major force in this offense sooner then later. The 1-2 punch of him and AJ might put us at the top of the league. The only downside I see is how long we will get the production with his reckless power running style. They will probably run him to the ground within 4 years.

This next guy I have to admit I’m getting excited about. Deguara is a beast. They reached a little but they did get the right player. I wish they would do the same damn thing at receiver. He fits LaFluers scheme perfectly to the tee with his versatility. I expect him to be a fan favorite quickly and the guy is tough as nails. I expect him to help bring a level of toughness to the scheme. He will make an immediate impact as rookie and in more ways then you see in the stat sheets.

Not excited about the Kamal Martin at all. Once again the Packers showed there not the best at drafting defense.

I will talk about the OL guys more individually later but i like what I see collectively . There some tough dudes. You take these picks with Elgton Jenkins and the interior line is set for years.

So there ya go. “Nuts & Bolts” - “Big Ass’a & Big Leggs” whatever you want to call it. There building POWER FOOTBALL in GREEN BAY.

[Bretsky]

I actually agree with Brandon mostly. The lack of attention to WR seems contrary to most of the Shanahan coaching tree. Though its a mixed bag in Washington.

Thy drafted Hankerson and had Santana Moss and Garcon. Cooley and then Reed were the big targets.

Brandon knows his shit and contributed a ton well before the 2020 draft debacle.

Had I posted these picks in a mock draft "before" the draft everybody would be torching the picks

Then it happened

And now many are trying to justify them.

And I hope I'm frickin wrong. I hope Jordan Love become a Hall of Fame QB and wins multiple Super Bowls, unlke the previous 2 QB's in Green Bay.

And I hope Baconshit turns out to be a stud and gets 15 sacks next year.

But at this point I'm calling a spade a spade.

GB may not have been that far away from a Super Bowl. But they sacrificed the present for the future, and in a draft where they could have greatly elevated their talent they really didn't, or at best only slightly did.

I'm way way less confident the Packers led by AROD win another Super Bowl than I was before the trainwreck started Thursday

[Bretsky]

There is one problem with the Aiyuk was the pick and we are trading up to get him.

NFL teams don't commit and reports trades in the middle of the draft until the pick is on the clock.

So if they wanted Aiyuk and had an agreement with the Dolphins, that paperwork doesn't get done until Minnesota's pick is done. They would have know Aiyuk wasn't there and could have backed off. Very common.

So the Packers aren't stuck with the pick unless they want to pick there.

I thought McGinn's artickle in the Athletic, the full one, was very good. Some talking points from his sources and ....we all know he has them

GB tried to trade up with Minnesota but SF made it happen. He did not commit to who GB wanted.

Thinks MatyyF was in love with Love's skillset and had him rated highly. Went on to note the rumors indy wanted to move up were incorrect. And Indy was interested in Love but only with their second 2nd round pick at 44. Did not another team may have tried to move up but suggested good chance he's there at 30

GB tried to move up in round two for WR's. Unsure for who. But not having the 4th killed them as that was a needed chip. Don't think we wanted to part with 2 and 3, and don't think others wanted to take a 5 and 6 or a 5 and 7. \\

[Zool]

Brandon knows his shit and contributed a ton well before the 2020 draft debacle.

Has anyone here disputed that?

[pbmax]

I thought McGinn's artickle in the Athletic, the full one, was very good. Some talking points from his sources and ....we all know he has them

GB tried to trade up with Minnesota but SF made it happen. He did not commit to who GB wanted.

Thinks MatyyF was in love with Love's skillset and had him rated highly. Went on to note the rumors indy wanted to move up were incorrect. And Indy was interested in Love but only with their second 2nd round pick at 44. Did not another team may have tried to move up but suggested good chance he's there at 30

GB tried to move up in round two for WR's. Unsure for who. But not having the 4th killed them as that was a needed chip. Don't think we wanted to part with 2 and 3, and don't think others wanted to take a 5 and 6 or a 5 and 7. \\

Its still an open question who they were targeting with trade talk prior to SF jumping up and grabbing Aiyuk. I wish we had reports on it, but we don't. We just have speculation and a report GB talked to Minny.

SF paid a small premium to get the pick but it also would not be unheard of for Division rivals not to want to trade.

I hope we find out.

[call_me_ishmael]

I thought McGinn's artickle in the Athletic, the full one, was very good. Some talking points from his sources and ....we all know he has them

GB tried to trade up with Minnesota but SF made it happen. He did not commit to who GB wanted.

Thinks MatyyF was in love with Love's skillset and had him rated highly. Went on to note the rumors indy wanted to move up were incorrect. And Indy was interested in Love but only with their second 2nd round pick at 44. Did not another team may have tried to move up but suggested good chance he's there at 30

GB tried to move up in round two for WR's. Unsure for who. But not having the 4th killed them as that was a needed chip. Don't think we wanted to part with 2 and 3, and don't think others wanted to take a 5 and 6 or a 5 and 7. \\

Can you share the content of the article? I haven't been able to find it.

Personally - based on what I've heard on the radio from WSSP folks, it sounds like ol' Bob lost his press credentials when JSO had cuts and he went independent. Hasn't gone it back and been kind of a biotch since then. I know he has sources but I also take what he says with a grain of salt.

[run pMc]

I actually agree with Brandon mostly. The lack of attention to WR seems contrary to most of the Shanahan coaching tree. Though its a mixed bag in Washington.

I said it doesn't depend on great receivers. TEN's rookie Brown was probably the best of their bunch IMO, and SF was trotting out All Pros like Kendrick Bourne.
Did they invest in WRs? Yes. GB hasn't really done this with the exception of Gute's first draft. Maybe they feel like they can get by most of the time with Day3 WRs; personally, I don't.
The Cobb and Davante drafts were a long time ago.

[pbmax]

Can you share the content of the article? I haven't been able to find it.

Personally - based on what I've heard on the radio from WSSP folks, it sounds like ol' Bob lost his press credentials when JSO had cuts and he went independent. Hasn't gone it back and been kind of a biotch since then. I know he has sources but I also take what he says with a grain of salt.

Its garbage partial, you don't want to read it.

[MadtownPacker]

PB you know Partial is oblivious to shit like that. The boy is not gangsta at all so might have to PM him.

[pbmax]

Bob does still have sources (the mean kids on Twitter think he had a mole or two on the team but then lost them) and I believe he gets the quotes he uses.

But, especially with the draft, he isn't judicious about using anonymous ones in context.

Worse though, is where he goes himself after a couple of quotes. He retweeted that fake Ian Rapoport account on draft day and he is still on that bandwagon.

Bob did not lose press credentials, he retired from JSO after they merged with GBPG (or shortly thereafter). He is now getting the cold shoulder because he used to mock reporters with two jobs (TV, blog, radio) and bloggers. When he started his own blog let's just say a few people in WI were celebrating.

The Packers don't credential bloggers or podcast hosts or the like. With the Athletic, he probably could get back in.