Revisionist History: Jason LaCanfora on Packers 2020 First Round

[GB-Brandon]

Never has so much certainty and value been placed on a late first round pick than in here. If only they had picked one of the remaining WRs, we'd have a chance at a Superbowl. Now that they didn't, no chance. Itt amazing how valuable this pick was! Franchise changing!

News flash, the chances of it making a lick of difference this year were long. Why is everyone so bent out of shape for one late first rounder?

The Jordan Love pick and subsequent moves or lack thereof was the straw that broke the camels back. You seem to be missing out the failure of this front office to adequately shore up weaponry for at least 3 years now for Rodgers.

This wasn’t just one offseason or draft. That’s why this is such a big deal.

[Upnorth]

This argument is old. Dan Marino won how many trophies in 17 seasons? Brees has 1 in 18 seasons. The Chargers have 0 with back to back HOF QBs over that same 18 years. There's a reason that a dynasty like the Pats, the 49ers of the 80s/90s, and the Packers of the 60s is held in such awe. It's fucking hard to win it all. You need luck as much as anything else. Maybe you should be blaming Fat Mike for blowing so many NFC championship games? How about blaming Rodgers for 2011 against the Cards? Surely it takes more than just one aspect to build a team.

Hell the Braves had 3 HOF starting pitchers on their roster for 8 consecutive years and barely won one World Series. If there was a magic formula, then everyone would do it.

Two very solid posts back to back. Awesome com mbo

[sharpe1027]

The Jordan Love pick and subsequent moves or lack thereof was the straw that broke the camels back. You seem to be missing out the failure of this front office to adequately shore up weaponry for at least 3 years now for Rodgers.

This wasn’t just one offseason or draft. That’s why this is such a big deal.

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[Bretsky]

News flash, the chances of it making a lick of difference this year were long. Why is everyone so bent out of shape for one late first rounder?

Good Point; we didn't get Jack shit out of our first pick last year either )) I see a trend....lol

[sharpe1027]

Good Point; we didn't get Jack shit out of our first pick last year either )) I see a trend....lol

Yeah, at least we're due. Maybe Love will be a hit rather than another miss.

[pbmax]

I'm not sure I agree with this; would you try to deny that teams with QB's on either first year deals, or QB's who were willing to take below market value deals have excelled ?

1. I am not making this claim in the post. I am saying its not at all clear the Packers are doing it. All signs currently point to rebuilding on the fly and keeping the expensive core on second (Clark) and third (Bach) contracts.

2. The success of low market QBs could be real. But its a very small sample size for those on rookie deals. You have include Brady, who was not rookie cheap, to make the numbers impressive. And I think the Patriots were cheating the cap with team money flowing to TB12 sports vitamin and rehab business.

I suspect the low contract QB success has more to do with teams finding a good talent pool and adapting their coaching to that pool.

[pbmax]

The idea that Brady (cap cheap and possibly being remunerated in other ways) is the same as a rookie QB on a slotted four year contract (possibly 5) are examples of the same thing is very funny. They are literals $15-20 million dollars apart in cap hits.

[bobblehead]

They should own it, I agree. Just say it. This is the guy. We are hoping he turns out to be a good player.

I agree with the conclusion that this was a move by a coach who probably is sick of Rodgers attitude and they will trade Rodgers in 2 years.

I disagree that you come out and say that. Come on Ish (and Jason) you have to live with him for 2 more years, you don't come out publicly and make him a lame duck. And besides, why burn a bridge you plan on using for awhile yet. What happens if we win back to back Owls? The plan changes and you keep on using Rodgers and Love sits. Why on earth would you lock into trading
Rodgers in 2 years publicly right now....only an idiot (or a fan or a journalist) would advocate for such a thing.

[texaspackerbacker]

Sheeeesh. Rodgers isn't going anywhere in two years, a fair chance not even in four, and it's extremely doubtful anybody in the organization is stupid enough to be "sick of Rodgers attitude".

It's frankly annoying when people swallow the shit spewed by this media know-nothing and then parrot is back.

[sharpe1027]

Rodgers played well the next two years and shows no major signs of a big old age dip, he's not going anywhere. Just like any player on the roster, if his play deteriorates and they have someone to replace him, then they move on.

I highly doubt any decisions have already been made. Nothing to see here.

[pbmax]

I agree with the conclusion that this was a move by a coach who probably is sick of Rodgers attitude and they will trade Rodgers in 2 years.

I disagree that you come out and say that. Come on Ish (and Jason) you have to live with him for 2 more years, you don't come out publicly and make him a lame duck. And besides, why burn a bridge you plan on using for awhile yet. What happens if we win back to back Owls? The plan changes and you keep on using Rodgers and Love sits. Why on earth would you lock into trading
Rodgers in 2 years publicly right now....only an idiot (or a fan or a journalist) would advocate for such a thing.

Wait, which is it?

1. LaCanfora: Packers wanted cheap replacement to follow rookie QB contract trend?

2. McGinn: LaFleur is mad as hell (at Rodgers) and won't take it anymore?

[pbmax]

Rodgers played well the next two years and shows no major signs of a big old age dip, he's not going anywhere. Just like any player on the roster, if his play deteriorates and they have someone to replace him, then they move on.

I highly doubt any decisions have already been made. Nothing to see here.

Half of the world thinks Love was a reach in the first.

The other half has him starting within 2 years.

[sharpe1027]

Half of the world thinks Love was a reach in the first.

The other half has him starting within 2 years.

Seems that way sometimes, but there's plenty in the middle. They just do not have a reason to be loud.

Well, that and full three quarters of the World doesn't even know who he is.

[pbmax]

Seems that way sometimes, but there's plenty in the middle. They just do not have a reason to be loud.

Well, that and full three quarters of the World doesn't even know who he is.

Lotta Utah State Aggie fans in northern India, so I think he's above a quarter of the world's population.

Absent injury, I think Rodgers plays out the contract. The odds aren't in Love's favor yet though he could develop in camp and practices and alter that plan.

I do not think the Packers are playing the cheap rookie QB deal game. I think they want a repeat of Rodgers ascension.

[bobblehead]

Wait, which is it?

1. LaCanfora: Packers wanted cheap replacement to follow rookie QB contract trend?

2. McGinn: LaFleur is mad as hell (at Rodgers) and won't take it anymore?

I highly doubt its number one. I think there could be a little resistance from Rodgers in conforming to the new O, and having an option if it becomes an issue makes sense.

I have read McGinns scouts and there was an opinion that Love was the 2nd best QB in this class. I think Gutes and Flower had him graded very high and when he slipped, given all the circumstances surrounding they pulled the trigger. If Rodgers buys in, plays like he did during Adams absence and we get to see the stat "Rodgers has completed passes to 7 different players" more often then Love is sitting 4 years. If we continue to hear that no one is ever open except Adams despite what our lying eyes showed us for 5 weeks then we may see Love sooner than that.

I think Conforta has the worst opinion of all....that the cheap replacement will be a net gain somehow when you are locked into Rodgers for 2 years, take a cap hit in the third and only get the net benefit for one season before you will have to pay Love if he performs.