Training Camp Thread

[Bretsky]

Kevin King looks in great shape. Gotta be 205 now. I do like Jaire’s full game a little more with the instincts and ability to play every kind of coverage equally well. But king, as a pure man cover guy, I think he’s better at that and has probowl potential.

The secondary is kind of the talk of camp right now. I’m not surprised. Could be a great defense in 2020

Was listening to one of the beat guys and they agreed.

They actually said surprise of the camp is Josh Jackson and went on to say if he is good our secondary is going to be very very good. Loves King's talent; he just needs to stay healthy

[GB-Brandon]

The thing is there letting and gonna let Jackson play outside though. He is still going to be backing up Jaire and King. I could see them playing Jaire inside sometimes though.

[GB-Brandon]

The fact that Jackson is developing means they don’t need to re-sign King. If King stays healthy he will be way expensive anyways.

[GB-Brandon]

IN GUTE WE TRUST

Unfortunately we’re not even close to that yet.

[RashanGary]

The thing is there letting and gonna let Jackson play outside though. He is still going to be backing up Jaire and King. I could see them playing Jaire inside sometimes though.

If Jackson, Hollman or any of the other young guys are legit outside, yeah. If none of those guys are close to Alexander and King, I imagine Sullivan, Greene and Redmond would split nickel and dime.

[RashanGary]

Alexander can play outside, obviously. He could probably play safety, nickel or dime too. He’s just sort of good at every kind of coverage and leverage. His tackling is not to the level I like inside so considering the NFL still runs the ball almost half the time, Alexander is more of a pure corner or inside player in long yardage.

[RashanGary]

Sullivan and Redmond tackle better. Greene too, obviously. With Kirksey as our only legit linebacker, those nickel and dime guys play a lot in regular down and distances and need to be more stout.

But like last year, passing situations, Alexander could play some of Tramons nickel (primary coverage situations) snaps. That’s pending a legit outside corner emerging.

[GB-Brandon]

I’m hearing this Kamal Martin is a very instinctive and has been showing too.

[texaspackerbacker]

I absolutely HATE the idea of Bakhtiari getting a huge contract. And if it costs us Linsley - who I see as a lot better player, then I hate it even more. And if that meant not signing Jones, shit, that would suck so bad. Jones not only played damn good, but he is the kind of breakaway big play threat I want instead of a grinder. I can live with the idea of Dillon getting a lot of snaps, because his films show that he has breakaway speed too, even at his size.

As of now, yes, in Gute I trust too. But if he loses good players signing a plug like Bakhtiari, it will damn well turn me against him too. And don't tell me how he's so respected by the media or whoever - blah blah blah. What I see in games, confirmed by highlight films, say different.

[texaspackerbacker]

We have a lot of potential among the DBs. I just hope Alexander snaps back to where he was as a rookie and King plays like a lot of people (not me) expect of him. Yes, RG, you nailed it. One reason ILB wasn't much of a need was because we play so much nickel and dime, and our guys there have generally done damn good. Hopefully Greene stays healthy, as he seemed like the best of the bunch. Hopefully Jackson finally rounds into playing like he did in college. He covered opponents' top receivers at Iowa, and did it well. Man coverage shouldn't be that much different in the NFL than against the best Ohio State, Michigan, etc. had in college.

[bobblehead]

Lazard, Gary, Savage, Sullivan, Kirksey and Elgetron should be big upgrades over last years versions of themselves (and Martinez)!

I'm still leaning towards MVS being the #2 WR this year. He has more tools than anyone and he has looked better when healthy. Not throwing shade at Lazard, just think MVS has more.

[bobblehead]

Move Turner out to RT next year. Go cheap at C and RG. Hope for the best at LT in the draft and sign Jones and King. Lol, that sounds like disaster! Maybe plug a guy like Solder or whoever 2021s near washed up LT is

Bakh doesn’t look negotiable.

Bakh, Jenkins, Patrick ensure Rodgers has a solid left side. Cut Turner and go young on the right side. That’s an option to keep King and Jones!

Jones goes. No one has succeeded paying a RB. Franchise him for next year then let him walk and draft a kid. Just the way the NFL works.

[bobblehead]

Was listening to one of the beat guys and they agreed.

They actually said surprise of the camp is Josh Jackson and went on to say if he is good our secondary is going to be very very good. Loves King's talent; he just needs to stay healthy

I've pimped King all along, but I admit I had lost all faith in Jackson. If he can become an asset that is pure profit from my perspective. Sullivan is a steal for an undrafted guy, but I would like him and Jackson to push each other constantly.

[RashanGary]

I'm still leaning towards MVS being the #2 WR this year. He has more tools than anyone and he has looked better when healthy. Not throwing shade at Lazard, just think MVS has more.

The Packers FIRED and I



put that in caps to make it a point that FIRING a coworker is a hard thing to do and must come with good reason. MVS made comments last year that made me think he ran the route that was drawn up on paper, and felt it was the right thing to do. I didn’t hear anything from the coaches or players, other than Rodgers who vaguely eluded to the reality that other guys played and highlighted the way they adjust their routes naturally as part of the reason. For the first time LaFleur added to Rodgers frustration in route adjustments not being made in direct correlation to what it means to be consistent and earn playing time. He said part of being a WR is running the right route based on the defense being played and said there are adjustments to every route.

I think it shows LaFleur adjusting even more for his HOF QB, as he should IMO. He’s made it a staple of the offense, one that, for the first time, he speaks out loud of and fires guys for not buying in.

There is some hope with the new coaching emphasis because Rodgers will not throw to someone who won’t do common sense things like run a route where there is a place to throw the ball when said adjustment doesn’t get in the way of the rest of the play. And Rodgers expects that everyone he plays with can understand when to do it and how. It’s really not unreasonable but it does limit the types of minds that Rodgers can work with.

That said, Lazard has said he’s lost weight since his rookie year. He ran a 4.55 at 227 pounds. Playing at 220 and with legit NFL dedication he’s the type of player who’s probably made big gains from Iowa state to NFL. I’d call him a 4.50 guy more realistically with the body change, which is elite for 6’5 and 220. He’s also fierce, savvy, and a natural football guy with great hands. To me, Lazard has first round makeup and is an absolute steal. The things Lazard naturally does, I doubt MVS will ever be able to do.

But, there are packages, downs, distances, situations; where you really want a 4.38 guy threatening the seam. MVS is kind of an ideal #3 in that regard. He has a place if he can grow and Rodgers starts connecting with him.

[RashanGary]

Jones goes. No one has succeeded paying a RB. Franchise him for next year then let him walk and draft a kid. Just the way the NFL works.

I like hearing this stuff. It’s true. And I don’t think anyone in the NFL front offices view Jones on the level of the HOF running backs who’ve made so much money. I would stay in the conversation with Jones next offseason because his agent might be grossly disappointed in what he’s offered and it might be more reasonable than we think.

King now, King comes way cheaper now than in the offseason. He looks thicker, sturdier and more NFL ready than ever. Even if he gained 10 pounds since rookie, his athleticism was so off the charts he’d still be elite. And now all of the experience.... he’s due for a breakout season. I’d sign king now and risk losing Jones next year.