Training Camp Thread

[gbgary]

king was a total bust until last year...and only because he couldn't stay on the field and when he was on the field he was playing hurt. last year he was very solid. solid enough to resign? sure...but if jackson's sudden rise is for real there'll be no reason to resign king because cap space is just too precious due to covid damage (and rodgers ridiculous contract going forward). they can keep him though if they want to. they just have to set it up like clark's deal.

[Upnorth]

Why am I getting flashes of Casey Hayward...

[Rutnstrut]

A good center is NOT easy to find. Every time they let a good one walk it takes a few years to find a suitable replacement. Plus the continuity of the line takes a hit.

[GB-Brandon]

Three separate reporters on Twitter comment on rashan Gary dominating the Red zone on three consecutive plays. I think all of us would love to eat crow and have rashan Gary turn into a stud.

Well, everyone will be dominating Billy Turner on the Edge this year. Get used to it.

[GB-Brandon]

Do you people seriously not look at films and see how Bakhtiari gets beat time after time after time? Do you not watch games and see that we do almost all our successful running plays through the Center/Guard gaps, and almost every time we run toward Bakhtiari's spot, the play gets stuffed for a loss? Are you seriously not aware that his whole career, Aaron Rodgers has been thriving despite shitty pass blocking, especially from the Tackle position? Sheeeeeesh!

Bak is the No.1 rated pass blocking LT in the league. Overall the Packers have had some pretty good OL play during Rodgers career. Maybe. Go watch the Seahawks play a few games and you will see see a little more clearly. And if you think Bak is bad your gonna have a cow watching Billy Turner try to play RT all year.

[RashanGary]

Kevin King is supposedly up to 205 now.

Where'd ya hear that? He looked bigger in his pics. Look at his legs 3 years ago and now the new pics. Big change. Looks like good weight.

[RashanGary]

If he balls out and stays healthy the Packers will not be able to afford him.

Sign him now. I believe he's a star.

[texaspackerbacker]

No. 1 rated by whom? Game films say something very different. "pretty good OL play during Rodgers career"? Films put the lie to that too hahahahaha. Virtually every pass play, Rodgers has had to run for his life, and run blocking has been spotty at best over the years - and very very very little of that from Bakhtiari. Turner - or Wagner or one of three draft picks, etc. I doubt what we see will be worse than Bulaga every year other than his contract year, 2019, and he was just ok even then. Rodgers' whole history is thriving despite having poor pass blocking, especially from the Tackle positions.

[bobblehead]

Why am I getting flashes of Casey Hayward...

Was just about to say something similar.

[call_me_ishmael]

I know I'm a huge homer but I am starting to think the team is going to be damn good this year. Sounds like ARod is ready to go all "You like that" on Gooter.

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/washington-redskins/kirk-cousins-redskins-gm-scot-mccloughan-how-you-me-now

[bobblehead]

I know I'm a huge homer but I am starting to think the team is going to be damn good this year. Sounds like ARod is ready to go all "You like that" on Gooter.

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington...how-you-me-now

Yea, you can lose perspective being a huge homer. You tend to go one of two ways. You go all Brandon and cry because you don't have 24 starting All Pro players and bemoan the coming 12 loss season or you go all Tex and declare that despite the obvious hole of the LT being only a mere top 5 player, Rodgers is so great and an undrafted slow guy is good enough to win the OWL every year.

I'm with you, a hopeless optimist, but I recognize we don't have a mountain of weapons. 3 really good ones. However, I played the game long enough (at low levels granted) to understand you win in the trenches. Give me 5 Pro Bowl OL and a top 10 QB and I'll give you a decent offense.

The team has a shot. As good as any in the NFC. They also have a 1st place schedule. Maybe a 15% shot at an owl, which is pretty good. No team in this league has more than a 25% chance and thats probably the defending champs.

[Upnorth]

And your definitely a Rodgers Hater.

Add a "Love Jersey" to your "MVS Jersey" collection!!!

Wow, your gonna have so much fun!!!

Yea, you can lose perspective being a huge homer. You tend to go one of two ways. You go all Brandon and cry because you don't have 24 starting All Pro players and bemoan the coming 12 loss season or you go all Tex and declare that despite the obvious hole of the LT being only a mere top 5 player, Rodgers is so great and an undrafted slow guy is good enough to win the OWL every year.

I'm with you, a hopeless optimist, but I recognize we don't have a mountain of weapons. 3 really good ones. However, I played the game long enough (at low levels granted) to understand you win in the trenches. Give me 5 Pro Bowl OL and a top 10 QB and I'll give you a decent offense.

The team has a shot. As good as any in the NFC. They also have a 1st place schedule. Maybe a 15% shot at an owl, which is pretty good. No team in this league has more than a 25% chance and thats probably the defending champs.

Why are you being resonable??? How dare you make a fair handed level post about the overall quality of the team or its players.

[bobblehead]

Why are you being resonable??? How dare you make a fair handed level post about the overall quality of the team or its players.

I'm mostly level headed. If I'm not its because I am trolling Brandon. I have picture of Brandon that I found.

[Patler]

A good center is NOT easy to find. Every time they let a good one walk it takes a few years to find a suitable replacement. Plus the continuity of the line takes a hit.

Not really true.

Packers starting centers:

Winters 1993-2002
Flanagan 2001-2005 overlapped with Winters, and started ahead of Winters, with Winters as backup in 2002.
Wells 2005-2011 overlapped with Flanagan, started at guard in 2005 with Flanagan at center.
Saturday/EDS 2012
EDS 2013
JC Tretter 2013-2016 was on IR in 2013 when EDS started. 10 starts 2014-2016. Couldn't stay healthy in GB.
Linsley 2014 -present overlapped with Tretter.

Other than the failed stopgap attempt with an over-the-hill Saturday in 2012 the Packers have had capable replacements for their centers. Even in 2012, they could have been OK if they committed to EDS from the start.

I'm not trying to downplay the importance of having a good center, just noting that GB has been able to find one when they need one, perhaps because they do attach importance to it.

[Upnorth]

Saturday was always a headscratching move. Very un Ted like imo. Not cheap.