Training Camp Thread

[bobblehead]

I think Curtis Bolton is still around too. He did damn good in the preseason last year, better than Summers. I haven't given up on Burks. Not being instinctive ought to be curable over time with coaching. Keep him another year or two, and hopefully he will be develop - and in the meantime, with his athleticism he ought to be serviceable with good coaching on special teams.

Not being instinctive is the one thing you CAN'T coach.

[texaspackerbacker]

Over time, I think you can. Instinctive players aren't just born that way; They got that way from being coached right in earlier years. It's athleticism that can't be coached.

[texaspackerbacker]

And the way the Packers play the 3-4, ILB is one of the least important positions. Hopefully Kirksey, maybe Martin, Bolton, or Summers, maybe even Burks get it up to a decent standard, but regardless, I wouldn't expect to see two ILBs on the field at a time very often. Pettine seems to prefer the extra DB, and given the pass heavy offenses most teams have, that's normal and smart.

[GB-Brandon]

And MVS has flashed a ton of potential through 2 seasons and this camp. But you have insisted he can't emerge.

I’m Hearing MVS is our big chance with some better and expanded route running skills. He was my favorite one out of the three that were drafted coming out of his class. As posted I have been thoroughly disappointed and would love nothing more then for him to prove me wrong.

Someone is going to have to step up outside of Adams. I’m thinking Tonyan and MVS are the meal tickets for this thing to have a serious chance.

[GB-Brandon]

And the way the Packers play the 3-4, ILB is one of the least important positions. Hopefully Kirksey, maybe Martin, Bolton, or Summers, maybe even Burks get it up to a decent standard, but regardless, I wouldn't expect to see two ILBs on the field at a time very often. Pettine seems to prefer the extra DB, and given the pass heavy offenses most teams have, that's normal and smart.

Or one of the most important!!! I think everyone saw that in the title game where Blake Martinez got completely exposed.

[bobblehead]

Over time, I think you can. Instinctive players aren't just born that way; They got that way from being coached right in earlier years. It's athleticism that can't be coached.

Yes, they are born that way. You can teach reads and keys, but you can't teach raw instincts. LB and RB are instinct positions. You either have it or you don't. Again, you can improve, but a non instinctive athlete will never be great at those positions. You can teach to tackle. You can teach to get under the pads, footwork. A lot can be taught, but not that feel that some have for the game. When Peterson runs through traffic he sees lanes that aren't there yet. You can't learn it.

[bobblehead]

And the way the Packers play the 3-4, ILB is one of the least important positions. Hopefully Kirksey, maybe Martin, Bolton, or Summers, maybe even Burks get it up to a decent standard, but regardless, I wouldn't expect to see two ILBs on the field at a time very often. Pettine seems to prefer the extra DB, and given the pass heavy offenses most teams have, that's normal and smart.

Until the biggest game of the year....when it wasn't.

[bobblehead]

I’m Hearing MVS is our big chance with some better and expanded route running skills. He was my favorite one out of the three that were drafted coming out of his class. As posted I have been thoroughly disappointed and would love nothing more then for him to prove me wrong.

Someone is going to have to step up outside of Adams. I’m thinking Tonyan and MVS are the meal tickets for this thing to have a serious chance.

And Lazard. Between those 3 guys I think we get enough contribution. Especially if Rodgers buys in. This is what most of us have been saying all off season. Oh, and Sternberger. We just need improvement from all 4 of those guys. We can live without a kittles if Rodgers runs it like he can. 2nd year in the offense and those players all being young I EXPECT it, not hope for it.

[run pMc]

I think Curtis Bolton is still around too. He did damn good in the preseason last year, better than Summers. I haven't given up on Burks. Not being instinctive ought to be curable over time with coaching. Keep him another year or two, and hopefully he will be develop - and in the meantime, with his athleticism he ought to be serviceable with good coaching on special teams.

Has Bolton practiced yet? I thought he was still rehabbing a torn ACL. I wouldn't count on him being around. I could see them IR-waiving him and then adding him to PS mid-season or something. By then Kamal should be back and likely working his way into some meaningful snaps. In the meantime, I think they play a S like Raven there on 70% of the snaps and give 20% to Ty and maybe 10% to Burks.

[RashanGary]

LaFleur said Lazard is extremely physical and smiled, and said he can’t wait to see him on the field. Said he can pass protect, run block and play WR. Kinda a unique slot weapon. Still has 4.5 speed and tough enough to block. Gonna be interesting to see how he’s used.

I could easily see a package of jamaal Williams, Aaron Jones, Lazard, MVS and Davante being exciting to watch. Williams honed in his WR skills. Jones is even better I’m sure. With Williams and Lazard being such good blockers, you have a lot of run/pass unpredicability there.

[RashanGary]

I like Jamaal more than a FB. Jamaal is a crafty football player. He’s the kind of guy who’s gonna find a way to make his block even if he’s 10 pounds underweight. His screen game is filthy. His pass pro is stellar. He’s a great guy to open up any type of play, whether it’s a lead block, extra pass pro or running a route, he can do everything.

Throw those guys in. If the opponent goes small, run (or play pass). If the opponent goes big, spread em out and get Jones on a LB with Williams securing the pocket for 12.

[RashanGary]

I think our best, most experienced and versatile weapons that can really click with 12 are the guys I listed above. We have a vet OL, a generational veteran QB. I see the experience being more important than paper physical traits.

MVS is a 4.3 guy
Lazard, Williams, Jones and Adams are 4.5 guys

That’s quite a bit of speed to go along with Jones rushing talent and Williams/Lazard unique physical abilities for their positions. I really think we’re gonna see a lot of this!

[bobblehead]

Has Bolton practiced yet? I thought he was still rehabbing a torn ACL. I wouldn't count on him being around. I could see them IR-waiving him and then adding him to PS mid-season or something. By then Kamal should be back and likely working his way into some meaningful snaps. In the meantime, I think they play a S like Raven there on 70% of the snaps and give 20% to Ty and maybe 10% to Burks.

Bolton was put on PuP today. He is a guy with those natural instincts, but he isn't a superior athlete and is undersized. There are places for him in the NFL, but you are always looking to replace him.

[bobblehead]

LaFleur said Lazard is extremely physical and smiled, and said he can’t wait to see him on the field. Said he can pass protect, run block and play WR. Kinda a unique slot weapon. Still has 4.5 speed and tough enough to block. Gonna be interesting to see how he’s used.

I could easily see a package of jamaal Williams, Aaron Jones, Lazard, MVS and Davante being exciting to watch. Williams honed in his WR skills. Jones is even better I’m sure. With Williams and Lazard being such good blockers, you have a lot of run/pass unpredicability there.

And that is what I begged for through the last several years of MM's reign. We had Cobb and Montgomery on the field at the same time and teams still knew exactly what we were about to run. MM capitalized on Rodgers greatness. What Brandon bitches about I bitched about schematically for years. We relied solely on Rodgers. Now we are asking him to spread it around. We are trying to have a lot of GOOD players instead of one GREAT player. If Rodgers buys in, look out NFL.

[RashanGary]

Over time, I think you can. Instinctive players aren't just born that way; They got that way from being coached right in earlier years. It's athleticism that can't be coached.

No. No. No.

Instinct is built at younger ages than that. It’s drive at a young age to do physical things and practice at those impressionable ages that builds instinct you can’t coach into adults imo

And Tex, I give ya shit cuz u can handle it!