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  • #31
    I never liked McGinn even more so than most of those pukes. It is a little bit troubling about those "peers" having a high opinion of Bakhtiari. I suspect, though, most of them don't go by first hand knowledge so much as what they get from the damn media.

    As I recall, it was House, not Newhouse, and what I see from Bakhtiari isn't substantially better than what House did. I wouldn't be surprised if we could put Linsley or Patrick at LT, and they would perform better than Bakhtiari.

    Dillon in his films looks as good or better than Lacy in his very short prime. Sure, that was against college competition, but the speed was as impressive as the tackle breaking. I don't have a very high opinion of Ervin either - not even close to the breakaway speed of Jones, and not much power running ability at all. He seems like a good kick returner, but only because the others were so crappy.

    I really hate to say bad things about Packer players, but it rubs me the wrong way that I keep hearing praise for three of those I have the lowest opinions of - Bakhtiari, King, and Ervin.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
      I never liked McGinn even more so than most of those pukes. It is a little bit troubling about those "peers" having a high opinion of Bakhtiari. I suspect, though, most of them don't go by first hand knowledge so much as what they get from the damn media.

      As I recall, it was House, not Newhouse, and what I see from Bakhtiari isn't substantially better than what House did. I wouldn't be surprised if we could put Linsley or Patrick at LT, and they would perform better than Bakhtiari.

      Dillon in his films looks as good or better than Lacy in his very short prime. Sure, that was against college competition, but the speed was as impressive as the tackle breaking. I don't have a very high opinion of Ervin either - not even close to the breakaway speed of Jones, and not much power running ability at all. He seems like a good kick returner, but only because the others were so crappy.

      I really hate to say bad things about Packer players, but it rubs me the wrong way that I keep hearing praise for three of those I have the lowest opinions of - Bakhtiari, King, and Ervin.
      Lindsay at tackle would be probably a bad idea. Different skill set.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
        qre you referring to short term, or two years from now when they'll both be playing elsewhere ? ))
        Two years from now. lol
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Upnorth View Post
          Lindsay at tackle would be probably a bad idea. Different skill set.
          Didn't Mike Flanagan make that switch - fairly successfully? A lot of college guys do that too.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by RashanGary View Post
            I’m a big Jones fan though.
            me too. i'd love to keep him. they can. they just need to structure his deal the way they did clark's...with the big hits starting in 2022. it's almost like they know they'll have a huge cap windfall ($40m-ish) because of someone very expensive no longer being on the roster in 2021.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
              Didn't Mike Flanagan make that switch - fairly successfully? A lot of college guys do that too.
              Stop while you are behind. While most on this site have a very flawed and poor understanding of OL, you are another notch below. Flanagan and Tretter went from college T to pro C, not the other way around. Flanagan played one game at LT as a pro and while not pissing all over himself, he wasn't stellar either. Linsley could NEVER play pro Tackle. It would be a Kenosha sized train wreck.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by gbgary View Post
                me too. i'd love to keep him. they can. they just need to structure his deal the way they did clark's...with the big hits starting in 2022. it's almost like they know they'll have a huge cap windfall ($40m-ish) because of someone very expensive no longer being on the roster in 2021.
                I always revert back to thinking I know it all. But it's helpful to hear some good points that I didn't think of to keep me humbled.
                Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by gbgary View Post
                  me too. i'd love to keep him. they can. they just need to structure his deal the way they did clark's...with the big hits starting in 2022. it's almost like they know they'll have a huge cap windfall ($40m-ish) because of someone very expensive no longer being on the roster in 2021.
                  IIRC the TV deal is up for renegotiation then, which would likely mean a big jump in the cap. It could also mean something else, of course...
                  As it is, they don't have much cap space to work with if we assume it will go down because of Covid. I'm hearing 175M + they will have some carryover if they don't spend it. They can do some things to cook the cap with bonuses & salaries, but not a lot. They will have to be very creative to sign players, as will many teams.

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                  • #39
                    Those last four words say it all. It's a near sure thing that the best players are gonna be playing somewhere/not go unsigned. Therefore, the Packers are not worse off than a lot of other teams in their chances to sign people. Also, as I probably said before, we just don't need that much additional right now.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by RashanGary View Post
                      I like king better than Jones, I’m one of the few.
                      I'm with you, tag and trade Jones. If you can nail a 2nd for him Gutes can piss it away.
                      The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by run pMc View Post
                        IIRC the TV deal is up for renegotiation then, which would likely mean a big jump in the cap. It could also mean something else, of course...
                        As it is, they don't have much cap space to work with if we assume it will go down because of Covid. I'm hearing 175M + they will have some carryover if they don't spend it. They can do some things to cook the cap with bonuses & salaries, but not a lot. They will have to be very creative to sign players, as will many teams.
                        Don't be so sure about that big cap jump. The NBA ratings are cratering for some unknown reason and advertisers don't pay much for only a few viewers. It remains to be seen if the same strange unexplainable phenomenon hits the NFL or not.
                        The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                        • #42
                          Unknown reason hahahahahaha? Hopefully the NFL won't be as God damned stupid as the NBA and MLB. Or were you just following the great rand tradition of sarcasm?
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by bobblehead View Post
                            I'm with you, tag and trade Jones. If you can nail a 2nd for him Gutes can piss it away.
                            4 straight years of Alexander king savage and Amos.... by the end of this season and for two more years we would have the best combination of speed AND continuity to allow mixed coverages in the NFL. And whoever the nickel and dime are, being next to a group that has so much experience would allow them to rise to the level quicker cuz everybody is doing it right! I envision this for sure. And I like this idea more than keeping Jones.
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                            • #44
                              Sign King now and we have a high paid corner. Wait till after a healthy 2020 where he’s clearly in the best shape of his career and has the weight now that will allow him to perform at the highest.... wait and he’ll be one of the highest paid corners on some other team. But do it now and his contract would be reasonable. High paid, but not through the roof.
                              Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                              • #45
                                Word from 1265 (RB coach pressconference) is that Jamal Williams made huge strides as a route runner and pass catcher. Also quicker than last year.

                                3rd down backs primary responsibility is pass protection. That’s why John Kuhn was the 3rd down back for so many years. Maybe he wasn’t gonna catch any 20 yard passes or be very dynamic as a screen player, but the pass protection was guaranteed for 12. That opened up a lot of big passes.

                                Williams brings that reliability plus screen game and now route running and pass catching. This will the the best 3rd down running back Rodgers has ever played with. I would bet anyone anytime that Williams is our primary third down running back.
                                Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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