Week 1 Vikings discussion thread

[RashanGary]

The Packers faced Wagner 5 or 6 times in the last three years. They know what kind of player he is.

[RashanGary]

Funny thing is, he’s still the 14th highest paid RT at 5.5M per year. Packers must not have thunk he was garbage, eh?

[RashanGary]

Even more perspective.... the Packers just let Bulaga walk for 10m/year coming off his best and healthiest two year stretch of his career. The lions Not paying Wagner 9m doesn’t seem to mean nearly as much as you seem to assume, Patler.

[RashanGary]

Wagner had the 3rd highest cap hit on his team. I’m pretty sure even the Greenest of gold vision here (me) hasn’t called him a top 3 player for any NFL team. He was just overpaid. The Packers paid him more what he’s worth. Top 15, basically in line with his PFF grade and coming off an injured year type money.

[Patler]

I am and I’m not sold on this D-Line outside of Clark. Lowry and Lancaster are mediocre. Adams is hurt already again. They simply don’t have enough upfront IMO to finish the season as a top 5 defense. Yes, they will flash here and there but just not dominate enough up front over the course of 16 games.

D-line is a concern. Lowry and Lancaster are what they are. Sure, in any given year one might provide better pass rush stats than before, but they won't be difference makers, just place holders. Adams has to be a regular part of the rotation soon, or he won't last the season, I suspect.

Clark is good and could improve further, because inspite of his NFL experience he is still very young. Physically maturing could make him even better. Other than Clark, maybe Keke could show improvement?

Just don't see them dominating many games as a group.

[Patler]

Even more perspective.... the Packers just let Bulaga walk for 10m/year coming off his best and healthiest two year stretch of his career. The lions Not paying Wagner 9m doesn’t seem to mean nearly as much as you seem to assume, Patler.

Apples and oranges, in my opinion, considering cap space for each team, contract status of the player, dead money, etc. If the Packers had had $50 M cap space and Bulaga under contract for another 2 years at an additional $9M per year, I suspect they would have been happy to keep him.

[GB-Brandon]

D-line is a concern. Lowry and Lancaster are what they are. Sure, in any given year one might provide better pass rush stats than before, but they won't be difference makers, just place holders. Adams has to be a regular part of the rotation soon, or he won't last the season, I suspect.

Clark is good and could improve further, because inspite of his NFL experience he is still very young. Physically maturing could make him even better. Other than Clark, maybe Keke could show improvement?

Just don't see them dominating many games as a group.

They signed Dylon Mack so they know that they are thin.

http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2020/09/10/green-bay-packers-sign-former-ravens-daylon-mack-fill-out-roster/3456614001/

I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see additional improvement from Clark but also wouldn’t be surprised to see some injury set in. So Yeah, whether Keke or Adams someone is going to need to step up at some point.

Generally when people talk about “Top 5 Defenses” you can point to guys or a group of guys upfront that can dominate. The Packers can have all the shinny toys in the world on the back end but if they “can’t dominate as a group” like you posted upfront I think this top 5 talk is a MIRAGE.

[Patler]

9m would make him the 9th highest paid RT in the NFL. Bulaga, coming of his best two years just got 10m per season.

Not wanting to pay him 9m doesn’t mean he’s not worth 5. It means they didn’t want to give him top 10 $$. That’s all it means for sure

Funny thing is, he’s still the 14th highest paid RT at 5.5M per year. Packers must not have thunk he was garbage, eh?

I have already said I don't mind the signing at all, (because as structured GB has little financial risk with Wagner). I wasn't confident he would even make the final 53. Even said I prefer Wagner and his contract to Bulaga and his new contract (mostly because of the guarantees). Guarantees mean a lot on older player contracts.

I'll say it again, I don't mind the Wagner signing at all; I just don't expect much from it.

[GB-Brandon]

Wagner had the 3rd highest cap hit on his team. I’m pretty sure even the Greenest of gold vision here (me) hasn’t called him a top 3 player for any NFL team. He was just overpaid. The Packers paid him more what he’s worth. Top 15, basically in line with his PFF grade and coming off an injured year type money.

Yet he wasn’t even going to beat out Billy Turner!!!

[RashanGary]

I'll say it again, I don't mind the Wagner signing at all; I just don't expect much from it.

5.5 per from a 30 year old RT who's been a pretty solid NFL player.... Plus the Packers new personnel guy, he's the #2 or #3 guy after gute.... He was pryed from the Ravens staff and has a track record of finding OL.

Anyway, that guy spent 4 years with Wagner. He knows how Wagner works and how he fit in with that team. It's not a blind audition. They know his NFL production and they know the kind of guy he is.

I expect a little less than Bulaga. Bulagas paid in the top 10 and deserves it. Wagner is top 15 now and should live up to that or they shouldn't have paid him. I expect a RT who performs about as well as Lane Taylor did at guard. Just a decent RT. Servicable.

[texaspackerbacker]

They signed Dylon Mack so they know that they are thin.

http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2020/09/10/green-bay-packers-sign-former-ravens-daylon-mack-fill-out-roster/3456614001/

I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see additional improvement from Clark but also wouldn’t be surprised to see some injury set in. So Yeah, whether Keke or Adams someone is going to need to step up at some point.

Generally when people talk about “Top 5 Defenses” you can point to guys or a group of guys upfront that can dominate. The Packers can have all the shinny toys in the world on the back end but if they “can’t dominate as a group” like you posted upfront I think this top 5 talk is a MIRAGE.

We didn't have anybody like him - a Gilbert Brown or Howard Green or Grady Jackson. I like that kind of player a helluva lot more than the Lowry or Lancaster type, especially beside Kenny Clark. Mack was a 5 star high school player, so he must have some skill. I'm expecting more from Keke (a college teammate of Mack) this year than Adams.

[wist43]

I thought Mack was signed to the practice squad??

[GB-Brandon]

I thought Mack was signed to the practice squad??

According to everything I have read and heard he is was signed to the 53

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2020/09/10/packers-will-sign-dl-daylon-mack-to-complete-53-man-roster/

[GB-Brandon]

We didn't have anybody like him - a Gilbert Brown or Howard Green or Grady Jackson. I like that kind of player a helluva lot more than the Lowry or Lancaster type, especially beside Kenny Clark. Mack was a 5 star high school player, so he must have some skill. I'm expecting more from Keke (a college teammate of Mack) this year than Adams.

I never said I didn’t like the signing. Like I’ve said “Someone is going to need to step up” big time if this is going to be a top 5 defense like some seem to think.

[wist43]

According to everything I have read and heard he is was signed to the 53

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/202...53-man-roster/

No, he's on the PS. I looked up the transaction.

If he were on the opening day roster his salary would be guaranteed for the year. The rules for activating from the PS used to say that player had to be carried the rest of the year - not sure if that is still the case.