Week 1 Vikings discussion thread

[sharpe1027]

It's true. I don't want to listen to Brandon.

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I think if Wagner didn't have a bad elbow he'd have been out there starting instead of Jenkins.
They put him out there because they didn't have anyone else except Runyan Jr. and Njiman, and putting them out at RT over Wagner would have been iffy at that point. I'd take 90% Wagner at RT over 100% of Njiman just coming off PUP, and probably over a rookie in Runyan (who I actually like and thought played ok at RG).

Not a huge fan of having a lot of cap money tied up in depth OL, but you have to have some reliable backups. $7M is a lot though. If it keeps Rodgers from getting sacked and he continues to have days like yesterday it might be worth it lol. Rodgers also seemed to get the ball out fast and on rhythm more often which was good, and I thought he made some great throws but also showed some decent mechanics (throwing with feet set, shoulders squared, etc.). Not very often GB puts up over 500 yds of offense and a 40-burger on the Vikes in their dome.

There were times that game looked like a scrimmage with rusty/tentative defenses. I didn't expect the offenses to go crazy like they did.

[GB-Brandon]

From whence does your information come?

I agree it certainly did not look good when he was on the cart.

Are you some medical expert that spends an inordinate time on this site, or just a pessimistic person? (I wanted to call you an asshole, but you haven't earned that level as of yet. But keep it up you're on your way.)

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@richeisen

Mike Zimmer is going to peel the paint off his lockerroom.
@AaronRodgers12 supplanted the Wilfs as owners of the Vikings today.
Wow.

Wouldn't want to be a CB during team film review. Dantzler, Hill, Hughes all got torched, mostly by Adams. Didn't see much of Gladney, their R1 pick. Rodgers looked good; can he do that consistently? Detroit has given him problems under Patricia.

[GB-Brandon]

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Wouldn't want to be a CB during team film review. Dantzler, Hill, Hughes all got torched, mostly by Adams. Didn't see much of Gladney, their R1 pick. Rodgers looked good; can he do that consistently? Detroit has given him problems under Patricia.

Rodgers had 144 passer rating when throwing to Adams. 112 to everyone else.

In my keys to game Queens corners were a big factor. Them having no pre-season or basically off-season didn’t help either. They(Queens Corners) have a long way to go and they just didn’t have much of a chance against Adams. MVS was also streaking open on several plays.

I don’t expect this to be the norm moving forward but that doesn’t mean Rodgers can’t keep the offense humming to a degree with his elite play and a healthy Adams. I think it’s pretty obvious this offense would be nasty and pretty much unstoppable with a legit no.2 option outside Adams.

Why that hasn’t happened yet is unthinkable!!!!

[bobblehead]

Not much of a feather in his cap, though, nor in Gutekunst's, when he was the third option for the position.

Agree with that. But I thought Elgton should be the starting RT way back when Bulaga left, not because of anything Wagner (who wasn't signed yet) might do, but because of just how damn good he looked as a rookie. We didn't get much from camp, but I wonder how much Jenkins was playing RT behind closed doors and if signing wagner was just a shotgun approach to having options.

Wagners career is what it is. Nothing special, but a long term NFL adequate starter. Daryn College if you will. Bulaga is an above average starter. I think if they commit to Jenkins long term he will be equal to Bulaga and hopefully more healthy. The more damning thing is as you say...they probably had Turner ahead of him on the depth chart, but we don't even know that for sure. Turner is a below average tackle by the looks of it.

[bobblehead]

Rodgers had 144 passer rating when throwing to Adams. 112 to everyone else.

In my keys to game Queens corners were a big factor. Them having no pre-season or basically off-season didn’t help either. They(Queens Corners) have a long way to go and they just didn’t have much of a chance against Adams. MVS was also streaking open on several plays.

I don’t expect this to be the norm moving forward but that doesn’t mean Rodgers can’t keep the offense humming to a degree with his elite play and a healthy Adams. I think it’s pretty obvious this offense would be nasty and pretty much unstoppable with a legit no.2 option outside Adams.

Why that hasn’t happened yet is unthinkable!!!!

So yesterdays offense wasn't good enough? I would say having a #2 who put up 4/96 and a TD is pretty good. You can continue your mantra in the face of evidence if you want. You might as well tell us how dominant your top contender, SF, looked yesterday as well.

[texaspackerbacker]

Agree with that. But I thought Elgton should be the starting RT way back when Bulaga left, not because of anything Wagner (who wasn't signed yet) might do, but because of just how damn good he looked as a rookie. We didn't get much from camp, but I wonder how much Jenkins was playing RT behind closed doors and if signing wagner was just a shotgun approach to having options.

Wagners career is what it is. Nothing special, but a long term NFL adequate starter. Daryn College if you will. Bulaga is an above average starter. I think if they commit to Jenkins long term he will be equal to Bulaga and hopefully more healthy. The more damning thing is as you say...they probably had Turner ahead of him on the depth chart, but we don't even know that for sure. Turner is a below average tackle by the looks of it.

I disagree about Jenkins. We didn't do much with him at RT, and we snapped back to some good runs up the middle when he moved back to LG. Either Wagner did a good job at RT, or else the position just wasn't that important a factor.

Apparently Lane Taylor is gone - ACL?. Runyon also either did a good job or else the position just wasn't much of a factor, as things did not get worse when he subbed in. I've said for a long time, Aaron Rodgers' mobility allows us to get by without particularly good O Line play.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I disagree about Jenkins. We didn't do much with him at RT, and we snapped back to some good runs up the middle when he moved back to LG. Either Wagner did a good job at RT, or else the position just wasn't that important a factor.

Jenkins played well at RT and LG. We moved the ball all day. We just got bogged down in the redzone the first few drives, but I didn't see that being because of Jenkins.

[GB-Brandon]

So yesterdays offense wasn't good enough? I would say having a #2 who put up 4/96 and a TD is pretty good. You can continue your mantra in the face of evidence if you want. You might as well tell us how dominant your top contender, SF, looked yesterday as well.

Yes we got a win and Rodgers and Adams looked Elite and Amazing. The rest was a mixed bag and so so with obviously some major concerns moving forward.

Will that be enough? I’m not so sure.

I’d feel a heck of a lot better with better weaponry and I’m not buying this bullshit excuse that it just wasn’t attainable. Our first round pick isn’t even suiting up. This is just an all to familiar road of falling short in the end. It’s just so unfair to Rodgers. He has to overcome so much.

[Patler]

I think if Wagner didn't have a bad elbow he'd have been out there starting instead of Jenkins.

If true, the Packers should be investigated by the league, because he was not listed on their injury reports last week.

[RashanGary]

We have to see Jenkins against top tier talent before we crown him. But he did nothing to suggest he doesn't deserve a crown some day.

Wagner getting beat by Jenkins might not mean as much as we think it means. Wagner being kept on the roster and plying well might mean something tho. Lots of information to sift through here.

[GB-Brandon]

I’d be shocked if they didn’t bring in Justin Britt with these injuries on the OL and how they feel about Wagner.

[HarveyWallbangers]

We don't know what they feel about Wagner. The guy missed quite a bit of camp. He might be healthy now, but he may not have gotten enough reps on a new team with a new scheme for the coaches to feel comfortable with him yet.

“Anytime you’re not out on the grass and not getting those meaningful reps, it does set you back,” Packers coach Matt LaFleur said Friday. “But Rick’s a pro, we’ve got a lot of confidence in him, he’s started a lot of games in this league and he’s done it at a high level.”

[HarveyWallbangers]

We have to see Jenkins against top tier talent before we crown him. But he did nothing to suggest he doesn't deserve a crown some day.

Wagner getting beat by Jenkins might not mean as much as we think it means. Wagner being kept on the roster and plying well might mean something tho. Lots of information to sift through here.

Crown his ass!