The official Allen Lazard fan club!

[RashanGary]

I've been on this bandwagon for awhile. You're late to the party. I doubt he improved his 40 from 4.55 to 4.4s though.

Most of the conversation all offseason was how our receivers suck and Rodgers can't do it alone. None of that happened.

[bobblehead]

I'm on. Lazard should be a #3 WR and MVS a #4. Adams can be a #1 but I still don't see a #2 WR on this team. You can argue they don't need one if they spread the ball around, but there are going to be teams with shutdown corners that give the WRs trouble.

All that said, I like Lazard better than MVS because he's more consistent and reliable. MVS has his moments and is more physically talented. I'm rooting for MVS to clean up those drops and learn to track/catch the deep ball, but I'm afraid he might not get much better at it. 6-4 guys who run sub 4.4 are rare though.

Since I seem to be the only MVS fan here I will ask you. If Lazard is better than MVS show me his 6 targets. Even on the ugly drops MVS had massive separation (which is what made the drops so bad). He had 2 big contested catches. I think he had at least 3 first downs on his 4 catches, 2 of which were BIG plays. Might have been all 4 catches, I don't recall the 4th.

Lazard is a nice player. I like him, but he probably doesn't have true #2 upside. MVS actually has #1 upside.

[bobblehead]

He may be an NFL receiver but I predict he's just a guy. #4 or #5 on most teams floating around where they're always on the bubble or at risk or getting cut. We shall see how it shakes out. He looked good in his limited action last year.

I am not predicting a big career. I simply would say he won't worry about being employed for the next 8-10 years. He will likely be a #3 here or elsewhere for nearly a decade.

[bobblehead]

Most of the conversation all offseason was how our receivers suck and Rodgers can't do it alone. None of that happened.

JH...that of course is exactly why he is desperately attempting to change the conversation. If you are proven horrendously wrong, scream louder about something else.

[bobblehead]

He has to do this because his big “Top 5 Defense Narrative” is about to go right out the window.

Any average fan can tell that Minnesota’s offense is rather average compared to the rest of the league. All the sudden he is painting them like some offensive juggernaut!!!!

I don't think many were saying it was a top 5 defense. That is why I said I wouldn't have taken a WR in the draft and I would have taken Queen. Defense wins championships, but you spent an offseason whining about WRs. Now its time to change the narrative. You should use all CAPS so we understand its time to move past your horrendously failing argument of Rodgers not having the weapons he needs. If you scream loudly enough we might all forget your 3 month narrative and believe you were crying about defense all off season.

[call_me_ishmael]

I am not predicting a big career. I simply would say he won't worry about being employed for the next 8-10 years. He will likely be a #3 here or elsewhere for nearly a decade.

That's where we disagree. I think that is a stretch to say the least. Not very many players play in the NFL for 8 years. Most of them that do are very good players or at least very good athletes that are drafted high. It's impossible to tell now but I would personally be surprised if he were on a roster in 4 years.

[bobblehead]

That's where we disagree. I think that is a stretch to say the least. Not very many players play in the NFL for 8 years. Most of them that do are very good players or at least very good athletes that are drafted high. It's impossible to tell now but I would personally be surprised if he were on a roster in 4 years.

You might be correct. He might look better than he is because he has Rodgers. I might be over stating it as a #3. But I think as a #4 he is nearly a lock and he can play solid ST as well. At his size I think he stays employed for sure.

[Patler]

MVS seems to lack pro athlete focus, and it does not appear to have improved at all from his rookie season. He made a nice catch on the TD reception. Good, but not anything "special". He got open working against inexperienced DBs. Again, good, but not anything "special".

The drops were atrocious. You can't spin getting open into a positive when the player drops a perfectly thrown ball after getting open. He has to complete the play. I could overlook one drop, stuff happens, but two in the same game shows him to be unreliable. Unfortunately, that was not all there was on the negative side of his game.

He also had a first down reception that I thought was a gift. He didn't seem to know where the marker was, caught the ball with his back upfield, went easily out of bounds and made no push or any effort to get the extra step or half-step to ensure first down distance. I thought the spot was an absolute gift when the replay showed where his feet were relative to the marker, and where the ball was relative to his feet. I was surprised the Vikings didn't challenge the spot. The "pro" move is to secure the ball and push backwards upfield to make sure you have the distance.

His blocking was sloppy, and included a holding call.

MVS has to prove himself soon. He should know that. I saw nothing yesterday that changed my perspective on him from his rookie season. He has size and speed that he can and does use to advantage at times, but he makes far too many mistakes to be relied on when games are on the line.

[Patler]

I like Lazard. He seems to have the focus and effort that MVS appears to lack. But, at this point he still has to prove he can be more than a newer version of Geronimo Allison. Everything being said about him by AR, coaches, reporters and fans was also said about Allison going into his 2nd and subsequent seasons. Lazard still has to prove he can "be the guy" when a team focuses on taking Adams away, that he can still produce when teams know him better, including his strengths and weaknesses and that he can produce when the inevitable nagging injuries from the wear and tear of a long season take their toll.

This is not a negative at all, just trying to be realistic about where he is right now. He can still go either direction from here.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'm with Patler, but I'm more bullish on Lazard. Athletically, he is a big upgrade on Allison, Ruvell, and Boykin (one year wonders). I'd be very surprised if Lazard doesn't have a typical James Jones like year (~700 yards and 6-7 TDs).

[GB-Brandon]

I don't think many were saying it was a top 5 defense. That is why I said I wouldn't have taken a WR in the draft and I would have taken Queen. Defense wins championships, but you spent an offseason whining about WRs. Now its time to change the narrative. You should use all CAPS so we understand its time to move past your horrendously failing argument of Rodgers not having the weapons he needs. If you scream loudly enough we might all forget your 3 month narrative and believe you were crying about defense all off season.

I’ve been “Very Consistent at addressing team needs” which was a gigantic failure this offseason. You can spin it anyway you want.

[GB-Brandon]

Per PFF yesterday

D. Adams 84.0
Tyler Ervin 75.7
Allen Lazard 70.0
MVS 57.5

[run pMc]

I suppose you can spin this as only being one game, but still...

Aaron Rodgers was nearly unstoppable when targeting wide receivers on Sunday. He completed 22 of 27 passes targeting Davante Adams, Marquez Valdes-Scantling and Allen Lazard, and the 22 completions gained 315 yards and resulted in all four touchdown passes. Rodgers’ passer rating when targeting the three receivers was 154.9. A “perfect” passer rating is 158.3.

Rodgers to Adams: 14 completions, 17 attempts, 156 yards, two touchdowns
Rodgers to Valdes-Scantling: 4 completions, 6 attempts, 96 yards, one touchdown
Rodgers to Lazard: 4 completions, 4 attempts, 63 yards, one touchdown

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/7-things-to-know-from-packers-43-34-win-over-vikings/

If MVS doesn't drop those two passes, those numbers would be even better. The WRs played well, and the QB played lights out.

[GB-Brandon]

I suppose you can spin this as only being one game, but still...

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/7-things-to-know-from-packers-43-34-win-over-vikings/

If MVS doesn't drop those two passes, those numbers would be even better. The WRs played well, and the QB played lights out.

The problem is MVS has a history of drops and he offers zero in 50/50 balls as he demonstrated yesterday in his failed effort at one.

This has been an ongoing thing in both categories. We’re in year 3 now!!!!

[GB-Brandon]

Do you guys really trust MVS in January with the game on the line with 4th and 7?

I sure the hell don’t and if you do your crazy.