O-line shuffles during week 1

[Harlan Huckleby]

Bahk got won a starting job as a rookie, and I think he came out a year early. He's gotta be talented.

fact checkers not welcome

[Harlan Huckleby]

During the Packers' 'Family Night' inter squad scrimmage later in training camp, starting left tackle Bryan Bulaga succumbed to a torn ACL injury. Due to the injury and Bakhtiari's play during training camp, he was inserted as the starting left tackle in the Packers first preseason game against the Arizona Cardinals at Lambeau Field. Though they lost, it was later noted that one of the positives to take away was the steady play of the rookies.[14] He later went on to start every game at left tackle for the Packers, becoming the first rookie to do so in Green Bay since the start of the 16-game schedule employed by the NFL since 1978 and the only NFL rookie to start every game that season at left tackle in 2013.[15] He was a key contributor to Green Bay finishing seventh in the league for rushing (blocking for rookie running back Eddie Lacy) and sixth in passing for the first time since 2004.

Following his rookie season, Bakhtiari worked significantly on his strength and continued to fight for his job at left tackle, prompting the Packers to move Bryan Bulaga to right tackle and have Bakhtiari at left.

memory lane

[George Cumby]

Bakh was second team All-Pro in 2019.

Just some fake news hype, I guess.

[KYPack]

One of the things I least enjoy doing is saying bad things about Packer players - unlike some in here who spew shit like that all the time. Everything I see, though, current games, live action, replays, old films, whatever is Bakhtiari messing up - and most of the time, Rodgers escaping and making good things happen anyway, probably a large part of the reason Bakhtiari is considered so good. When is the last time you saw a decent run over Bakhtiari's block? If there are any, maybe somebody can dig up and post one or two. I will concede that there were a couple instances where Bakhtiari held off the pass rusher good, but there were also several, especially early in the game, where the outside guy ran right around him and forced our QB to adjust. I'm not saying the guy is a bad player, but I just think he is no better than a helluva lot of others playing the position, and if we can't get him for a pretty ordinary amount of money, then let somebody else have him.

On the other hand, how many times last year and in the first game this year did we get big holes and good runs right over Linsley and Jenkins? A lot. I rapped Jenkins? All I said is that he did great at LG, and not much good happened with him at RT. I really hope they keep him at LG for anything other than emergency use at tackle.

Yeah, Joe, I suppose the media pukes do overrate Bakhtiari, but mostly I'm focusing on the mania a lot of posters liking him. And I wouldn't say a word against re-signing Bakhtiari for whatever ridiculous amount it might take, except that people have had the gall to suggest sacrificing Aaron Jones or Linsley or both to keep Bakhtiari. Hopefully, that's just poster nonsense or media puke nonsense, and the team ain't that damn dumb.

"Mike Sherman woulda found a way to retain both Wahle and Rivera." yes, this, APB.

Then why in the hell are you saying bad things about our good players?

An All Pro left tackle and a solid LG who can play two positions? What in the hell is your problem with that?

Notice you are tag teaming with Tank. He is a well known dip shit, fan boy type.

I thought you had your shit wrapped a lot tighter than that.

There are many teams that would love to have two players like Bahk and Jenkins.

And yes, it will be difficult to keep that line together. Every team in the league faces those challenges. Tennessee had the best OLine in the NFL. They lost their marquee RT, cause you can't keep 5 top lineman together.

Linsley is our top OLineman? Are you out of your wits? He's a good hand, but Gute isn't formulating his strategy to retain a center. Ask your buddy Tank. Guess that would be a fucking center. You have to make changes and sacrifices when you move your roster forward. We can't keep 'em all, ya know.

You used to be one of the most together posters on the forum.

Now you are talikin like a man with a paper asshole.

I'd urge you to do what you advise.

Watch the game and tell me your criticisms are valid.

You say Jenkins and Bahk are bums?

You are totally fulla shit.

[texaspackerbacker]

I repeat, I never said one bad word about Jenkins. I think he will be a legitimate all pro - he's on the way to that already. Other than Bakhtiari, I haven't been overtly negative about a Packer since B.J. Raji or Seneca Wallace, and that includes Burks, Hundley, and the rest of them that so many in here like to shit on. I'm not real thrilled about Kevin King, but I'm still hopeful the hype about him turns out to be justified.

I haven't heard a word of counter to the claim that we don't have success running over Bakhtiari, and that practically all our decent run plays go over Linsley and Jenkins.

I appreciate the flowery words hahahaha about me. I've always had respect for you too. And I will allow for the fact that my view is distinctly a minority view in here, but with all due respect, I think ya'all have a severely inflated view of Bakhtiari. Call it doubling down if you like, but at the risk of upsetting ya'all further, I'd say that LT or OT in general, at least on the Packers with Aaron Rodgers' mobility and accuracy, are not all that important positions in the passing game. For a lot of years, I've seen Rodgers have to elude a mad rush - to a much worse extent than other QBs, escape, and still make plays. I hate to think how Bakhtiari would look if we had somebody like Boyle back there, or even somebody like Brady or Cousins.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Bahk got won a starting job as a rookie, and I think he came out a year early. He's gotta be talented.

fact checkers not welcome

We need you back in FYI, yo!

[Patler]

I haven't heard a word of counter to the claim that we don't have success running over Bakhtiari, and that practically all our decent run plays go over Linsley and Jenkins.

Here you go Tex:

ESPN has a new metric called run block win rate, ranking offensive tackles in the NFL for their success in run blocking. Last season, Bakhtiari ranked second in the NFL among all tackles with a run block win rate of 79.2 percent. Only Carolina Panthers tackle Taylor Moton (81.1 percent) ranked higher.

[Patler]

Here's a link to how ESPN performs their calculation:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-win-rate-work

[texaspackerbacker]

Yeah right - because ESPN says so huh? Why does that #2 ranking not show up in performance on the field/successful runs to his side?

[Patler]

Yeah right - because ESPN says so huh? Why does that #2 ranking not show up in performance on the field/successful runs to his side?

Did you even read the article I linked, explaining how the calculation is performed? The calculation in and of itself answers your question. All based on the Next Gen stuff, actual analysis of every player on every play, who did what, regardless of where the play went. Everyone has a responsibility on every play, and this evaluates that.

[Patler]

Face it Tex, you are flat out wrong about Bakhtiari. No "ifs" , "ands" or "buts" about it. Coaches disagree with you. Scouts disagree with you. Players disagree with you. Reporters disagree with you. News services disagree with you. Services specializing in stats generation, who are successful only as a result of their accuracy, disagree with you. Fans disagree with you.

In short, you are a lone wolf in your detest of David Bakhtiari's performance.

Unless you can explain why your evaluation should be accepted over those of virtually everyone else, including those of people more skilled and accomplished than any of us on here, and those of people and organizations having evaluation tools of the highest caliber, I can not give credence to your comments about Bakhtiari.

Why do you not see his success, you ask? Because you will not allow yourself to see it. You are closed minded about it.

You are wrong.

[bobblehead]

Here you go Tex:
Quote Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
I haven't heard a word of counter to the claim that we don't have success running over Bakhtiari, and that practically all our decent run plays go over Linsley and Jenkins.
Here you go Tex:

ESPN has a new metric called run block win rate, ranking offensive tackles in the NFL for their success in run blocking. Last season, Bakhtiari ranked second in the NFL among all tackles with a run block win rate of 79.2 percent. Only Carolina Panthers tackle Taylor Moton (81.1 percent) ranked higher.

Had to do a funky copy paste to get full context, but you get the gist. Remember when I used to say Bakh was barely top 10 pass blocking but his superior run blocking for a LT put him over the top? Funny how things come full circle. I personally never "follow the popular story" Back then people would say stupid shit like "bakh is a wall, but his run blocking is a little weak" It became the popular thing to say with no grounds in reality.

Right now, Me, the guy who argued Bakh was over rated is going to say this. Taking away the "legal hold" has made him elite. He works much harder for position and arm extension at this point and he is the same run blocker he always was. Most of Jones long runs last year went over LT, not right side. Before I thought he was solid in pass, now he is top 3ish.

[bobblehead]

Here's a link to how ESPN performs their calculation:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-win-rate-work

I like it. Bulaga was top 20 and Bakh was number 2. MM didn't like to run.

Also noted that Vince Biegal was #8 edge defender.

[bobblehead]

Yeah right - because ESPN says so huh? Why does that #2 ranking not show up in performance on the field/successful runs to his side?

Let me put it to you a different way tex. This season I want you to note the time in the game that Bakh failed in his assignment then post it here. I will go back and watch for it. I could go back last year and point out 3 blocks DB made to spring Jones on 25+ yard runs. There were more, but I can recall 3 that I said "wow, Bakh crushed that dude"

[George Cumby]

Face it Tex, you are flat out wrong about Bakhtiari. No "ifs" , "ands" or "buts" about it. Coaches disagree with you. Scouts disagree with you. Players disagree with you. Reporters disagree with you. News services disagree with you. Services specializing in stats generation, who are successful only as a result of their accuracy, disagree with you. Fans disagree with you.

In short, you are a lone wolf in your detest of David Bakhtiari's performance.

Unless you can explain why your evaluation should be accepted over those of virtually everyone else, including those of people more skilled and accomplished than any of us on here, and those of people and organizations having evaluation tools of the highest caliber, I can not give credence to your comments about Bakhtiari.

Why do you not see his success, you ask? Because you will not allow yourself to see it. You are closed minded about it.

You are wrong.

Patlerized.