Bears WR Allen Robinson Requesting To Be Traded

[Patler]

Yeah, cause teams are just lining up to get a crack at MVS and ESB. They have almost no trade value. Maybe a conditional 7th if you find a sucker.

We’re running this whole thing with a bunch of spare parts.

The Bears wouldn't be trading for MVS or ESB, they would be trading for the draft choice I suggested. The player is just a sweetener, a player with some potential, some NFL experience, etc. Certainly not the primary element, but could be somebody they think has potential to fill out a roster.

[Patler]

ESB can’t get on the 53 and MVS is a couple more dropped bombs away from being out of the NFL. That’s where it’s at.

ESB is on the 53 man roster, isn't he? Just wasn't active for the game. I read one article that said his ankle surgery was very significant; he couldn't even workout on it until this summer, and he really isn't ready to go quite yet.

[Patler]

ESB can’t get on the 53 and MVS is a couple more dropped bombs away from being out of the NFL. That’s where it’s at.

I agree about MVS, and as I posted in another thread, it isn't just the drops. Game awareness, precision in performance, etc. factor into it too.

Those other factors are the exact things that I think will eventually move ESB ahead of MVS, based on their rookie seasons and what MVS has shown and not shown since.

[GB-Brandon]

The Bears wouldn't be trading for MVS or ESB, they would be trading for the draft choice I suggested. The player is just a sweetener, a player with some potential, some NFL experience, etc. Certainly not the primary element, but could be somebody they think has potential to fill out a roster.

The Bears will most likely get a good comp pick though if he leaves in free agency. I just don’t see the Bears doing anything to help assist us in putting the final piece in play to stack our offense. They know how good Robinson is and what he would mean to the Packers offense. It would be amazing if the Packers got him but I’m not gonna get my hopes up. The Bears will have a huge market to get something for Robinson if they intend to trade him so the Packers being who they are would make it so they have to over pay dearly I would think.

Interesting enough Gute did try and sign Robinson and the Bears paid him more and he ended up there when he was a free agent last time.

[GB-Brandon]

ESB is on the 53 man roster, isn't he? Just wasn't active for the game. I read one article that said his ankle surgery was very significant; he couldn't even workout on it until this summer, and he really isn't ready to go quite yet.

Yeah your right. He is on 53 just not activated.

[Guiness]

My fear is if we continue to go down this rabbit hole when MVS has been doing this for 3 years now that it’s gonna bite us bad down the road when it really counts. I’m not sure how at this stage right now he can be trusted.

I said that during the game - when he dropped the ball in the endzone I thought it would be a long time before Rodgers looked his way again. I was pretty surprised when he dialed him up again.

[Patler]

The Bears will most likely get a good comp pick though if he leaves in free agency. I just don’t see the Bears doing anything to help assist us in putting the final piece in play to stack our offense. They know how good Robinson is and what he would mean to the Packers offense. It would be amazing if the Packers got him but I’m not gonna get my hopes up. The Bears will have a huge market to get something for Robinson if they intend to trade him so the Packers being who they are would make it so they have to over pay dearly I would think.

Interesting enough Gute did try and sign Robinson and the Bears paid him more and he ended up there when he was a free agent last time.

Ya, I don't think it is likely at all. The Packers would have to make a strong offer.

The Bears may or may not get a good draft pick if he leaves as a free agent. If they go out and sign a top free agent themselves, they might get nothing. That's an advantage of a trade for the Bears, they get a guaranteed pick for him no matter what they do in free agency themselves. Further, they could get the pick in 2021, the comp pick wouldn't be until 2022.

In a trade, the draft pick comes from the team, not just a freebie from the league like a comp pick. This would make a trade to GB a little more palatable to the Bears, if they think he might end up in GB as a free agent. At least they would take something away from the Packers.

Long shot, for sure; but not completely impossible.

[GB-Brandon]

Ya, I don't think it is likely at all. The Packers would have to make a strong offer.

The Bears may or may not get a good draft pick if he leaves as a free agent. If they go out and sign a top free agent themselves, they might get nothing. That's an advantage of a trade for the Bears, they get a guaranteed pick for him no matter what they do in free agency themselves. Further, they could get the pick in 2021, the comp pick wouldn't be until 2022.

In a trade, the draft pick comes from the team, not just a freebie from the league like a comp pick. This would make a trade to GB a little more palatable to the Bears, if they think he might end up in GB as a free agent. At least they would take something away from the Packers.

Long shot, for sure; but not completely impossible.

Yep!

[texaspackerbacker]

What are you taking about? MVS was basically given an “F” grade from PFF for his play Sunday and his drops are an issue. Nothing new with MVS and dropping passes. Sorry, but a guy consistently dropping wide opens down field bombs is an issue.

If we lose that game everyone would want him cut.

If that's the case, then fuck the media pukes at PFF.

The Packers were pretty damn unstoppable as it was, and Valdez-Scantling is a helluva lot more likely to cure himself of the drops than keep doing it.

We really don't need to give up anything significant for a good but not great WR when we already have what we already have.

[texaspackerbacker]

Tex, don't get those panties in a bunch. It was a joke. kind of. I would like to see Boyle, instead of Love, learning at the feet of the Master.

Uh, it sort of appears that the knuckleheads were serious. Joke about Love maybe - I don't much give a shit about him anyway, but I really hate the idea of trading for a WR, and the fact that he apparently is only signed through this season makes it all the more idiotic. The saving grace is this, as in so many things, is that the people running the Packers have a helluva lot more sense than the God damned media pukes and some posters.

[run pMc]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29893082/chicago-bears-wr-allen-robinson-unhappy-contract-talks-sources-say

Depending on who you believe, he's not asked for a trade. My guess is it was implied as a negotiation tactic for a contract extension.
Wherever he ends up he'll likely have an agreement in place for an extension. He makes $14M this year.

I have trouble seeing him signing with/playing for GB. I'm not sure how his salary (+an extension) works with their cap, and they have Davante's contract coming up anyway.

Oh, and I see Sanu signed with the 49ers. Is he washed up? Belichick let him go, and they weren't exactly stacked at WR...

[GB-Brandon]

If that's the case, then fuck the media pukes at PFF.

The Packers were pretty damn unstoppable as it was, and Valdez-Scantling is a helluva lot more likely to cure himself of the drops than keep doing it.

We really don't need to give up anything significant for a good but not great WR when we already have what we already have.

PFF is grading system that many NFL teams use for reference so I’m not sure what the heck you mean here.

2018 Grade 60.4

2019 Grade 57.0

2020 Grade thus far 57.5

To me that shows a pretty consistent trend of what we have. A Giant “F”

[GB-Brandon]

I think our best shot is for the Bengals to keep losing and make a move for AJ Green. He is healthy and looked good Sunday. Would give us the perfect 1 year rental and no.2 option with Adams.

This would be amazing!!!!

[run pMc]

I think our best shot is for the Bengals to keep losing and make a move for AJ Green. He is healthy and looked good Sunday. Would give us the perfect 1 year rental and no.2 option with Adams.

This would be amazing!!!!

it would, but I think it's a pipe dream.

I have trouble seeing them trade one of their best players and #1 WR. Joe Burrow is going to need all the help he can get, and trading away your playmakers doesn't help.

Let's say he does go on the trading block. He's 32 years old, coming off an injury, but still productive. It's the last year of a contract paying him $18M. What do you give up for him? What would it take to keep him past this year? Can he get up to speed in the offense mid-year?
Before you say let's throw the Bengals a R2 or R3 pick for Green, think about why they would want to take that. Also, if he's a half-season rental, is that worth it? I honestly don't know.

Hypothetical: What would you take for Davante Adams in trade? He's 5 years younger, been hurt less, and still very productive, has an extra year on his contract (vs. Green) and his salary is $12M.
I wouldn't put him on the trading block, period. If you're the GM and some team came asking you what it would take, what would you say?

(Note: I'm not loooking at bonuses/cap hits, so I'm being very simplistic)

[GB-Brandon]

it would, but I think it's a pipe dream.

I have trouble seeing them trade one of their best players and #1 WR. Joe Burrow is going to need all the help he can get, and trading away your playmakers doesn't help.

Let's say he does go on the trading block. He's 32 years old, coming off an injury, but still productive. It's the last year of a contract paying him $18M. What do you give up for him? What would it take to keep him past this year? Can he get up to speed in the offense mid-year?
Before you say let's throw the Bengals a R2 or R3 pick for Green, think about why they would want to take that. Also, if he's a half-season rental, is that worth it? I honestly don't know.

Hypothetical: What would you take for Davante Adams in trade? He's 5 years younger, been hurt less, and still very productive, has an extra year on his contract (vs. Green) and his salary is $12M.
I wouldn't put him on the trading block, period. If you're the GM and some team came asking you what it would take, what would you say?

(Note: I'm not loooking at bonuses/cap hits, so I'm being very simplistic)

So much goes into answering this but I’ll start with Joe Burrow is 23 so they are going to be looking more long term. The chance of AJ Green being helpful to them by the time Burrow develops is practically zero. They’d be much better off parlaying and getting something for him while they can for future assets that line up better with Burrow’s timeline. Last season it was harder to move Green because he was in the middle of the injury. Now that he is on the field producing he has more value.

Patler also explained in depth why it would be in the Bengals best interest to trade him over trying to possibly obtain a comp pick if he makes it to free agency. Why would AJ Green even want to stay in Cincinnati at his age with the team being in a rebuild?

As far as the Packers it’s the perfect move. Sure, we would give up a pick and most likely a 3rd or 4th but if thats what it takes to give us the best shot then sign me up!!!! Like I keep saying we’re getting close to not even having these opportunities anymore so I don’t really know what the hold up is. I’d feel better about a 32 yo vet grasping our offense then a rookie or some younger player too.

Lastly, what’s the draft gonna look like next year? With over half the college teams not even playing sounds like what was already kind of a crap shoot is gonna be even a bigger one. A 3rd round pick doesn’t appear to maybe have the same value.

This is a no-brainer!!! Go Get AJ Green and give AR12 the best chance possible to bring a Lombardi back to Titletown. It’s that simple!!! Quit fucken around!!