What percentage of a teams effectiveness is attributed to the QB?

[Bretsky]

Metrics aside, AROD has carried this team to the playoffs for a while now.

[MadtownPacker]

Are we talking about just today?

[call_me_ishmael]

Bad or average? And do you mean IN THAT GAME, or overall. Cuz Brady's Owl wins read:

13-3, 34-28, 28-24, 24-21, 32-29, 20-17

So in 4 of 6 wins he didn't put 30 on the board. Other recent Owl winners who were not great: Nick Foles, Washed up Manning, Other Manning 2x, and Joe Flacco.

But no, you can't have a BAD QB and win. Average..sure.

Sort of revisionist history though. Flacco got the biggest contract in NFL history after winning the super bowl. He was a very good QB at the time. Manning 2 was no Peyton but he was damn good in his own right. Kind of hard to believe he was only a 4x pro bowler TBH.

If you put Mahomes on any of the top 10 teams in the NFC, are they suddenly #1?

[bobblehead]

Relax! You have no clue if Hackett is any good as a coach!

I think I'm pretty good at grading coaches and future coaches. I pegged Adam Gase as a flop. Was calling for O'Briens head 2 years ago. Predicted Frank Reich would be really good. And I'm telling you Nate isn't doing shit other than smiling at Flower. He didn't do shit in Jacksonville either. He is an NFL coordinator because the old man was a decent coordinator.

[bobblehead]

I’m just using math, not your dick. You can’t have 80% of things over average. Otherwise it’s not average. Average is middle.

If you compare them to QB play 30 years ago, they probably do seem much better. The game has changed. QBs are given too much credit and too much blame.

Actually you are describing the median. If you average 500,000, 2, 34, 87, 3, 6, 11, 14, 22, and 89 then 90% of them are below average.

[bobblehead]

Are we talking about just today?

Today he 100% stared down Adams and the result was a pick 6. I am honestly starting to become stupid and believe he is a better QB with Adams out.

[Upnorth]

Sort of revisionist history though. Flacco got the biggest contract in NFL history after winning the super bowl. He was a very good QB at the time. Manning 2 was no Peyton but he was damn good in his own right. Kind of hard to believe he was only a 4x pro bowler TBH.

If you put Mahomes on any of the top 10 teams in the NFC, are they suddenly #1?

Flacco and manning were both carreer below average and (by zool standard not rg standard) who got crazy hot at the right times. Give me a Matt Stafford or Kirk cousins over flacco or Eli 85% of the time.

Mahones is better than most kfc and except wilson and rodgers imo.
Thinking about it now with Prescott gone and brady and brees old I think Stafford cousins and Kyle Murray are fighting for the third best qb in the nfc

[texaspackerbacker]

I agree with a lot of that, Upnorth. You did kinda leave out Lamar Jackson, though. And I wouldn't quite put Cousins on the same level as Stafford.