Life without Bakhtiari

[bobblehead]

He was definitely a theory piece to fit into the outside zone scheme. Since it’s only a theory here and we can’t run that style of offense with the horses we have, Turner is a complete waste of space.

I think they reached for a guy who could do something they wanted to do and he does it well. I think they got enamored with that one skill set and ignored the rest of his body of work.

[Joemailman]

I think they were willing to overpay for Turner because of his alleged ability to play RT. At the time, Bulaga was coming off of a season ending injury. I'm surprised they like him at RT more than Wagner. I know Wagner was overmatched at LT, but thought he was solid at RT. Turner would seem like a likely cut candidate after this year, but MLF seems to like him.

[texaspackerbacker]

Wagner was bad at LT, but face it, the sacred cow, Bakhtiari was not very damn good either on Sunday. Whoever they were up against may have been the cause of their lame-assed play. I think against most teams, Wagner or Jenkins or Nijman or whoever could do about as good a job as Bakhtiari - who so many of ya'all want to spend #22 million a year on.

[Patler]

Wagner was bad at LT, but face it, the sacred cow, Bakhtiari was not very damn good either on Sunday. Whoever they were up against may have been the cause of their lame-assed play. I think against most teams, Wagner or Jenkins or Nijman or whoever could do about as good a job as Bakhtiari - who so many of ya'all want to spend #22 million a year on.

Per stats out today, in 29 passing plays, Bakhtiari wasn't responsible for so much as a single pressure, let alone a hit or sack. What game were you watching?

[RashanGary]

I think they reached for a guy who could do something they wanted to do and he does it well. I think they got enamored with that one skill set and ignored the rest of his body of work.

And it’s compounded because we hardly do the one thing he’s good at. If we were doing 50% outside zone and those moving bootleg pockets that play off the zone running, great.... half the time we’re doing what he does well. But we do that maybe 10% of the time and the other 90% exaggerates his weaknesses

[texaspackerbacker]

hahahahahaha Who puts out those stats?

[GB-Brandon]

The offensive line got way overhyped. My guys told me Turner was a disaster at pass blocking in camp. Wagner is nothing more then a stop gap and will break against top competition.

Packers can not afford to lose Bak against any good to great team. If we were to lose him against a team like the Bears it would be lights out!!!

[KYPack]

Wagner was bad at LT, but face it, the sacred cow, Bakhtiari was not very damn good either on Sunday. Whoever they were up against may have been the cause of their lame-assed play. I think against most teams, Wagner or Jenkins or Nijman or whoever could do about as good a job as Bakhtiari - who so many of ya'all want to spend #22 million a year on.

Tex On this topic you are totally full of shit. You don't want to keep DB because you are an Aaron Jones fan boy (or fan man) . That's OK everybody has their favorites. But it is stone lame to make up tales of poor performance to denigrate a player. Which you have started doing constantly. Read Patlers post, those are the numbers. They grade every player every play. This is by experts'. They know what they are talking about

David Bahktieri is a marquee left tackle in the NFL. You speak of sacred cows? Well he's your whipping boy. Numbers of times, I've seen your posts about how poorly he has played, they are way off.

You are a long time fan. But so are many who post on here. Do you think you can bullshit all these savvy fans who see the same game you are watching?

We've been thru this rodeo with you before. You got rolled then and you will get rolled now. There are 30 or so NFL OLine coaches who would give their right arm to get an LT with the skills of Bahktieri. We need him to get back in harness or our season is in serious jeopardy.

[Sparkey]

DB sucks. That's what I've learned from reading TPBs posts. I've also learned that any Karl Swanke or Greg Koch that is available would be just as good.

Lol. Those were the days.

[texaspackerbacker]

KY, You've got your opinion and I've got mine. I don't say Bakhtiari is bad, just that he is overrated. We can't run for shit over his position, and if there is a strong pass rush, he is maybe above average, but nothing all that special. Aaron Rodgers for years has been getting flushed out of the pocket virtually all the time on pass plays. Whatever good reputation the O Line has is due to his mobility. This year, there actually had been less pressure on the QB - until last Sunday. Somebody posted that Bakhtiari was perfect on 29 snaps or something like that? That sure wasn't what I saw. Granted, it got even worse when he went out, but that is a pretty low bar to say Bakhtiari is better than Wagner.

I've said many times, we ought to be able to cook the cap to retain him, Linsley, and especially Aaron Jones. However, if the powers that be don't want to be like Mike Sherman and play the fine edge of things - if they decide to make sacrifices, they damn well better not lose other good players to keep Bakhtiari.

Now I'll sit back and laugh while all you fans of the sacred cow talk him up hahahahahaha.

[Rastak]

Per stats out today, in 29 passing plays, Bakhtiari wasn't responsible for so much as a single pressure, let alone a hit or sack. What game were you watching?

Patlerized....hahaha Tex, you watching the all 22? I didn't think so.

I used to but cannot care enough anymore to keep my NFL subscription alive. Even when I did it was pretty damn hard to grade OL.

[Rastak]

Tex On this topic you are totally full of shit. You don't want to keep DB because you are an Aaron Jones fan boy (or fan man) . That's OK everybody has their favorites. But it is stone lame to make up tales of poor performance to denigrate a player. Which you have started doing constantly. Read Patlers post, those are the numbers. They grade every player every play. This is by experts'. They know what they are talking about

David Bahktieri is a marquee left tackle in the NFL. You speak of sacred cows? Well he's your whipping boy. Numbers of times, I've seen your posts about how poorly he has played, they are way off.

You are a long time fan. But so are many who post on here. Do you think you can bullshit all these savvy fans who see the same game you are watching?

We've been thru this rodeo with you before. You got rolled then and you will get rolled now. There are 30 or so NFL OLine coaches who would give their right arm to get an LT with the skills of Bahktieri. We need him to get back in harness or our season is in serious jeopardy.

I'll side with KY everytime. Tex, you have a right to your opinion but realize just like alot of my opinions, they are fucking wrong.

[bobblehead]

And it’s compounded because we hardly do the one thing he’s good at. If we were doing 50% outside zone and those moving bootleg pockets that play off the zone running, great.... half the time we’re doing what he does well. But we do that maybe 10% of the time and the other 90% exaggerates his weaknesses

Yep. good point. We found out that the rest of our line and our best RB is best suited to run inside zone.

[texaspackerbacker]

Rastak, you worthless piece of shit, why the hell do you even show up here? Of course you let your NFL subscription lapse because your team sucks hahahahaha.

I stand by what I said, we have had near zero success running over Bakhtiari's spot - and it's pretty lame to blame the RBs for that. And while Bakhtiari isn't horrible in pass blocking, he certainly ain't worth 22 million a year and sacrificing other good players. And he either doesn't have a clue about adjusting to stop an outside blitz or else the scheme is flawed if he isn't supposed to step out and block that speed burner coming in just to his left.

And yeah, Bobblehead, we do a helluva lot better running inside zone ...... and that says volumes about the blocking inside as opposed to the blocking by Bakhtiari and whoever is at RT.

[run pMc]

you worthless piece of shit, why the hell do you even show up here?

Feel the love.

When you find a good LT you keep them as long as you can (and they are playing good). DB falls into that category.
LT is a premium position and very few teams (if any) make it deep into the playoffs without a good one.