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  • Marquez Valdez-Scantling and Preston

    MVS is the most polarizing player on the Packers right now followed by Preston Smith.

    MVS has a bunch of deep passes caught in his first 2.5 seasons. He’s been hit or miss and streaky at best. He’s an oddly effective blocker for being so skinny. He gets in the way and tries hard and doesn’t get called for holding.

    MVS also drops short to intermediate passes with alarming regularity and it’s even worse when it’s mildly contested. His route tree is so limited, it’s crossers and seams with nothing in between.

    I, the resident homer, do see his strengths being highlighted more once Lizard is back. He’s a huge liability now, but I expect him to be big down the stretch if he can settle into a more limited role and asked to do more of what he’s good at and taken out when the situations don’t fit his skillset. A big play specialist I guess is what I’d call him.


    Preston is the next most polarizing player. He’s made some big plays, mostly last year. He seemed to have come into the season a bit out of shape. His speed rush, that he was winning with last year is non existent.

    Preston is however stable in the run game, has made the occasional flash play and looks surprisingly fluid and effective in space.

    I, the resident homer, don’t see him as a long term piece. With King looking expendable and Jones too, and maybe even Bakh on top of that, maybe you keep him one more year and cut ties after 2021. He, and kirksey, are at the top of the cut list if you want to keep Bakh though. I don’t see Bakh commanding the dollar amount he wanted with the Covid affected free agency and I’d be more than happy to sacrifice kirksey and Preston to keep the sacred cow
    Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

  • #2
    I wouldn’t mind seeing MVS kept long term on a small contract as a #4 WR, but in a specialist role. I don’t think he has much value, but I do think in the right role, it’s not a wasted roster spot if you just have him run seam routes all day to keep the safeties at bay.
    Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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    • #3
      Adams, Lazard, hopefully Malik Taylor evolves into a player and then MVS as a specialist doesn’t bother me as much as him being the #2, every down WR that he is right now.
      Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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      • #4
        MVS needs to be washed out of your mouth like Geronimo Allison was last year and Janis was the year before. The Packers need to start getting serious about the WR position and quit treating it like an after thought if they want to be a true contender and play with the BIG BOYS!!!

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        • #5
          You go to K-Mart and buy shoes at K-Mart and then you expect them to be like “Real Nike’s” is just Insane!!! That’s what the Packers have been doing for years now at the WR position outside of Adams who was drafted by Thompson years ago in the 2nd round!

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          • #6
            Polarizing generally means some people like them, some don't. I haven't heard anybody say much good about Preston Smith for quite a while hahahaha.

            I'd call Bakhtiari polarizing, but I guess I haven't heard much of anybody except me not totally in love with him.

            The closest I can think of associated with the Packers that is anywhere near 50/50 polarizing is Pettine as D Coordinator.

            Valdez-Scantling is a little bit polarizing, I guess, but those of us on the good side are starting to have doubts, and even most of the detractors like his potential and are hoping he begins to catch the ball regularly. I'll throw out an idea for MVS. Let him return kicks. with that speed and ability to turn the corner, he could be something special - assuming he didn't muff the catch hahahaha.
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            • #7
              I’m on the fence with Preston Smith. Have to see how he finishes out the season. Not sure he is worth his contract at this point. Pass rush is everything so if he can turn it around the he stays if they can make the cap work because to me Gary is bonafide JAG!!!!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
                Polarizing generally means some people like them, some don't. I haven't heard anybody say much good about Preston Smith for quite a while hahahaha.

                I'd call Bakhtiari polarizing, but I guess I haven't heard much of anybody except me not totally in love with him.

                The closest I can think of associated with the Packers that is anywhere near 50/50 polarizing is Pettine as D Coordinator.

                Valdez-Scantling is a little bit polarizing, I guess, but those of us on the good side are starting to have doubts, and even most of the detractors like his potential and are hoping he begins to catch the ball regularly. I'll throw out an idea for MVS. Let him return kicks. with that speed and ability to turn the corner, he could be something special - assuming he didn't muff the catch hahahaha.
                At this point your wasting a roster spot with MVS. You need to improve that roster sport either through the draft or Free agency or trade is the bottom line!!

                I would prefer they replace him through the draft this off-season! It won’t be hard!!

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                • #9
                  MVS has had two years to sit there and have no real competition come in and be all comfy. it’s time to blow up the receiver group. I want massive talent that can play ball!! They are out there. It’s Gute’s job to get them.

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                  • #10
                    Getting shoes at K-Mart, Brandon, - if it still exists there/it doesn't here - is a good idea when the amount you can spend is limited (like with a salary cap). Sometimes, you get the big name, and all you're paying for is the name. I'd say that works just as well for WRs as it does shoes. Our recent K-Mart ILB seems to be a comfortable fit.
                    What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
                      Getting shoes at K-Mart, Brandon, - if it still exists there/it doesn't here - is a good idea when the amount you can spend is limited (like with a salary cap). Sometimes, you get the big name, and all you're paying for is the name. I'd say that works just as well for WRs as it does shoes. Our recent K-Mart ILB seems to be a comfortable fit.
                      That’s not it. That’s a LIE! It’s that everyone is getting all stirred up and delusional over a 5th round pick from 3 years ago that isn’t working out and it really isn’t a big surprise. That’s all this team has really invested through the draft other then then the two others they drafted in mid to late rounds with him. Lazard is someone they got lucky with as an UDFA which is great however there has not been enough commitment through the draft to the build a formidable receiving Corp that does not require massive cap space.

                      They have made the choice to invest in other areas I don’t care to list but to say the Packers can’t have premiere receivers because of cap space simply isn’t true.

                      My bottom line is that when I take in the current landscape of the NFL and the teams the Packers will need to beat to win it all we are not strong enough at the “Weapon/Receiver” or whatever you want to call it position to achieve greatness. That is my opinion. I saw it against Tampa. You can believe otherwise. I would suggest/recommend a trade in this department as soon as possible to increase our chances.

                      Thats my take!

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                      • #12
                        Tonyans development and Lizards have limited the pain of fully relying on MVS for much of anything this year. It’s hard for me to let go of his big deep catches, but i might be wrong.

                        Even with Tonyan and Lazard stepping up, MVS has been a liability. I don’t want to see him do anything but crossers and seams. There are only so many situations in football where those are welcome and helpful, so I hope to see Tonyan, Adams and Lizard be the guys with MVS in a really part time and decoy type role.
                        Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                        • #13
                          To Brandon’s never ending point, we are probably one quality WR (plus Lazard coming back) from being unstoppable.
                          Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RashanGary View Post
                            Tonyans development and Lizards have limited the pain of fully relying on MVS for much of anything this year. It’s hard for me to let go of his big deep catches, but i might be wrong.

                            Even with Tonyan and Lazard stepping up, MVS has been a liability. I don’t want to see him do anything but crossers and seams. There are only so many situations in football where those are welcome and helpful, so I hope to see Tonyan, Adams and Lizard be the guys with MVS in a really part time and decoy type role.
                            Well he's a much better blocker than Taylor.....so he's got that going for him which is nice.
                            Originally posted by 3irty1
                            This is museum quality stupidity.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RashanGary View Post
                              To Brandon’s never ending point, we are probably one quality WR (plus Lazard coming back) from being unstoppable.
                              There you go. That is the “Vision.” Why would Gute not want to make that vision a reality. I would be so on board!!!

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