Over the Cap

[Guiness]

The thread about Bakhtiari resigning got me looking at the cap situation for next year. Over the cap has a nice chart that gives an overview. It assumes a cap number of 176M

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

The Pack are projected to have 2M of space with what they already have committed. That would be with none of their own FAs resigned of course.
I think the 'effective cap space' column assumes the roster is filled out with minimum wage guys.

I don't pretend to understand what the hell is going on with the Eagles and Saints, who project to 64 and 94M over!

[Joemailman]

Cap savings by cutting various players:

Aaron Rodgers - 4.8M
Z. Smith - 10.75M
Davante Adams - 13M
Preston Smith - 8M
Adrian Amos - 4.3M
Billy Turner - 3.55M
Dean Lowry - 3.3M
Ricky Wagner - 4.25M
Christian Kirksey - 6M
Josh Jackson - 1.3M
Oren Burks - 945T

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think Lowry, Wagner, and Kirksey (although I don't hate him as much as others, more because they have some young guys that look intriguing) are as good as gone.

[Joemailman]

The thread about Bakhtiari resigning got me looking at the cap situation for next year. Over the cap has a nice chart that gives an overview. It assumes a cap number of 176M

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

The Pack are projected to have 2M of space with what they already have committed. That would be with none of their own FAs resigned of course.
I think the 'effective cap space' column assumes the roster is filled out with minimum wage guys.

I don't pretend to understand what the hell is going on with the Eagles and Saints, who project to 64 and 94M over!

Saints have 13 players who would have a cap hit of over 10M in 2021. Eagles have 12. The Packers, by comparison, have 5.

[RashanGary]

I think Lowry, Wagner, and Kirksey (although I don't hate him as much as others, more because they have some young guys that look intriguing) are as good as gone.

I think id cut Preston, Wagner and Kirksey. I'd look at a cheap resign of Fackrell, extending Montravious for cheap and Lowry is already cheap. Solid veteran big guys are a luxury in the NFL. Three for the price of Preston seems a no brainer

[RashanGary]

Runyan, Dillon, Barnes and Kamal Martin gonna go a long way to allowing us to save some big �� in 2021 and beyond. Rookies are rookies and they almost always suck, but these guys have a lot of 2nd year potential!

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think id cut Preston, Wagner and Kirksey. I'd look at a cheap resign of Fackrell, extending Montravious for cheap and Lowry is already cheap. Solid veteran big guys are a luxury in the NFL. Three for the price of Preston seems a no brainer

It all depends on how Preston plays. If he's solid down the stretch, it would be hard to give up an good all around OLB in this defense. Guys like Wagner, Lowry (I'm very down on him), and Kirksey (we have alternatives) are easier to find.

[Joemailman]

Yep. You want to keep both Smiths with Gary. Guys comparable to Wagner, Kirksey and Lowry are going to be available for fewer dollars in FA.

[run pMc]

Agree the draft picks have to pan out... especially in years 2 & 3.
I think Lowry and Kirksey are the most likely. Lowry is JAG and this offseason there were similar vet DL signing for a fraction of Lowry's contract -- I think it's fair to assume that will happen after COVID cuts.
Kirksey's 6M would be nice to shed for a good if oft-injured player. ILB depth is shaky; Barnes and Martin have injury histories too, so they need someone besides Summers. Burks they probably bring back to camp and try to trade or cut him. Pettine plays a lot of S at the ILB, so maybe it doesn't matter.

Wagner is iffy to me -- he's actually been serviceable at RT, and having him and Turner playing while Bahk was out (and Taylor on IR) didn't lead to much drop off. Losing a starting tackle can cause problems as Justin Skule and Jason Spriggs prove.

If you cut Preston, you better hope Garvin and Gary can hold down that spot and find a 4th OLB who can drop into coverage. I could see them doing this to free space for Aaron Jones.

[texaspackerbacker]

Preston Smith, Kirksey, Lowry, Wagner, Turner for sure. I'd even cut Zakarius if there was a better OLB available.

[RashanGary]

Preston is tough. It’s really nice to have three of them. I’m the only guy who likes Lowry on that small deal. I’ll take Lowry, Montravious and Fackrell (three young veteran serviceable guys who keep the front 4 fresh) over one Preston all day. I really don’t want to lose Montravious. He's become a servicable rotation guy like Lowry. I know we hate our DL around here, but it’s nice having a bunch of vets who can rotate in.

[Upnorth]

Would be ok without p Smith if Gary can step it up a bit.
We need to draft solid dt and ilb. After that saftey or wr. Just my opinion on priorities. All that assumes gary gets better of course.

[bobblehead]

Cap savings by cutting various players:

Aaron Rodgers - 4.8M
Z. Smith - 10.75M
Davante Adams - 13M
Preston Smith - 8M
Adrian Amos - 4.3M
Billy Turner - 3.55M
Dean Lowry - 3.3M
Ricky Wagner - 4.25M
Christian Kirksey - 6M
Josh Jackson - 1.3M
Oren Burks - 945T

I think you kirksey has 7 weeks to prove he doesn't need to go. You may argue to cut preston, especially given what is going to be available on the market. Amos imo, probably can be replaced for less. Lowrey and Wagner would go if I were GM, just because I think, again, bargain hunting this year will be key. If you approach it as an investment portfolio you would say, "yes, he is worth this price, but I don't have free cash and there are better allocations of capital so...bye so I can buy."

[Guiness]

Thanks for the list mailman. There are players in there that could easily be gone, 13M saved by cutting Lowry, Kirksey and Wagner but that still only gives them 7M in space for 2021when you look at the effective cap number. Still not a lot of breathing room to sign even some of their own FAs. I imagine there will be some cooking going on by the Pack and others. I am a little surprised there are only 13 teams currently over next year's number.

[Joemailman]

Thanks for the list mailman. There are players in there that could easily be gone, 13M saved by cutting Lowry, Kirksey and Wagner but that still only gives them 7M in space for 2021when you look at the effective cap number. Still not a lot of breathing room to sign even some of their own FAs. I imagine there will be some cooking going on by the Pack and others. I am a little surprised there are only 13 teams currently over next year's number.

A lot of teams made moves this offseason to get rid of salary for 2021. There are 13 teams with 20 milllon or more of dead money in 2020.