What are "Packer People"

[MJZiggy]

I never said I was all for it. Last week when it was rumored it would happen, I figured it would and I understand the futility of railing against something I cannot control. Would I have hired him? I honestly can't say. He has a prior relationship with TT and they know each other. He is a stranger to me. I haven't met his wife or seen his baby. I might or might not have been swayed by a discussion with him. I can't tell you because I haven't had one. I have known a few alcoholics in my day. Some have beaten it. I also knew some social drinkers who I wish could put down that bottle. One thing I do know is that each individual is unique and deserves his chances based on his current position. KR is not in a great position with the law, but perhaps this was his rock bottom. Maybe the lip service he paid to the Vikings is now genuine. I have no way of knowing as I haven't spoken with him, but TT has. I have no choice but to accept his judgment and move on because I have no say in what he does. If you want to understand how little say you have in the matter, just take a look at Matt Millen and I'm sure you'll understand.

I am far closer to Patler's point of view than anyone else's here. I just don't know, but I'm trying to ask enough questions so I know where I stand.

Edit: I'll take KRob over Porter any day.

[Guiness]

Here's a question Patler: do you think the Vikings were justified in realeasing Koren? Do you think they should've?

I don't think the Vikings had any choice except to release him. After all the separate incidents that have dogged them the past few years, they had no choice but to take a firm stand. A team can stand only so much of that junk, as the Packers know from their own situations in the past.

Fair enough - I made that comment in the other thread; I felt the Vikins have had a bad run of public incidents with their players, and the Pack hasn't. We can affoard a loss of a couple Karma points if it doesn't work out, they can't.

[GrnBay007]

Patler, I just love when you start these discussions. I bet you loved Philosophy classes..........."who am I?", freedom and determinism, moral "truth" v. moral relativity, forgiveness and justice, and what makes life worth living . . .

[Patler]

Patler, I just love when you start these discussions. I bet you loved Philosophy classes..........."who am I?", freedom and determinism, moral "truth" v. moral relativity, forgiveness and justice, and what makes life worth living . . .

Thanks, I enjoy discussions that make me think and question myself and my own beliefs. As for pholosophy classes, I never really had a significant one! Educationally, I was strictly a hard sciences guy, with hours and hours in labs. I branched out after my initial degrees with classes in other areas, but nothing more than introductory philosphy classes. I was more concerned with what I perceived to be education required for my day to day performance at work. Only in the last 10 years or so have I developed a keen interest for philosophy and the arts. I continue to learn.

[woodbuck27]

Problem is, Wood, he's not wrong. I read his biography, When Pride Still Mattered last spring (which by the way is a MUST read) and he was not a great family man. Used to berate his wife in front of the team as well and after games would invite the players back to his house to party and drink in his basement bar. He also treated the children of his players better than his own kids.

"and after games would invite the players back to his house to party and drink in his basement bar" MJZiggy

MJ I've done that more than a few times.

I will be on my knees at bedtime... praying for forgiveness.