More Banjo - Packers vs Panthers

[beveaux1]

Lazard is still the 2nd choice as WR on this team. I think Rodgers still trusts the RBs more and Tongan about as much as Lazard.

Obviously, Adams is the first choice and the drop off from there is immense as is the drop in talent from Adams.

[beveaux1]

Scheme is important, but talent is more important. A defense can adapt to a scheme. The Panthers adapted to our run pass option scheme.

Take away Adams and we’ll struggle on offense because the rest of the WRs are not particularly good.

It’s the reason we have problems with good defensive teams with good defensive coaches.

We’re a team with a very good scheme and good personnel. Weak at WR outside of Adams, but with weapons at RB and TE.

We’re a solid playoff team that could make a run, but we have weaknesses on offense and especially on defense that might keep us out of the Superb Owl. I’m enjoying the ride.

[hoosier]

That take doesn't explain why Packer offense has managed to be so good over past two years when Adams is hurt.

[beveaux1]

When we’ve been good and Adams is out, it usually involves a change in scheme that had not been previously scouted.

Jones used as a WR is one example. It also coincided with playing much weaker teams or teams missing key personnel.

We have a very good offensive scheme with a very inventive play caller. And we have Rodgers. As big a piece in the puzzle as Adams is, he’s not the only piece. With him, we can be competitive with the good teams. That’s what makes it fun.

[gbgary]

listen veeeery closely to MLF's presser from yesterday. some subtle nuggets in there as to why the 2nd half O was such a beatdown.

[Joemailman]

listen veeeery closely to MLF's presser from yesterday. some subtle nuggets in there as to why the 2nd half O was such a beatdown.

Like maybe some of those quick outs to WR's were supposed to be runs?

[Sparkey]

The 2nd half was an example on just about how any team can win. Interior pass rush. Patrick was absolutely man handled by Brown and Burns blew past our highly paid Left Tackle.

Linsley showing he deserves to get paid by displaying what they miss when he is not on the field.

Also, as good as A.Jones is with the ball in his hands, he is a huge liability in pass protection.

[bobblehead]

You are all wrong. We weren't productive after the initial quarter because the Panthers got great pressure on Rodgers. There was no time for routes to develop. Burns was a beast. They crushed the pocket on Patrick. We should have adjusted with a rolling pocket and a couple deep shots to soften them up. Packers also refused to run more than once in a row which was a HUGE mistake. I thought we were a team committed to the run? In the second half we did NOT run the ball enough.

[bobblehead]

The 2nd half was an example on just about how any team can win. Interior pass rush. Patrick was absolutely man handled by Brown and Burns blew past our highly paid Left Tackle.

Linsley showing he deserves to get paid by displaying what they miss when he is not on the field.

Also, as good as A.Jones is with the ball in his hands, he is a huge liability in pass protection.

Hmm...should have read about 2 more posts before I responded. Well played sparkey.

[Joemailman]

You are all wrong. We weren't productive after the initial quarter because the Panthers got great pressure on Rodgers. There was no time for routes to develop. Burns was a beast. They crushed the pocket on Patrick. We should have adjusted with a rolling pocket and a couple deep shots to soften them up. Packers also refused to run more than once in a row which was a HUGE mistake. I thought we were a team committed to the run? In the second half we did NOT run the ball enough.

MLF has said they didn't run enough. Question is whether that was his play calling, or Rodgers switching from run to quick out.

[gbgary]

MLF has said they didn't run enough. Question is whether that was his play calling, or Rodgers switching from run to quick out.

listen closely to that sunday presser. it was rodgers. oh MLF took some blame but he always does on ANY matter that is negative.

pressure was an issue only because rodgers was holding the ball too long. he got away from running the ball. he ignored the middle of the field. deep routes take time. time he didn't have. should have taken what he was given. there were a couple of plays were the O-line were beaten but they were the exception. first downs and extending drives should have been the focus.

[GB-Brandon]

listen closely to that sunday presser. it was rodgers. oh MLF took some blame but he always does on ANY matter that is negative.

pressure was an issue only because rodgers was holding the ball too long. he got away from running the ball. he ignored the middle of the field. deep routes take time. time he didn't have. should have taken what he was given. there were a couple of plays were the O-line were beaten but they were the exception. first downs and extending drives should have been the focus.

I have heard rumors that it was Rodgers mostly on audibles and not LaFluer’s calls.

[run pMc]

There were times the pass rush was meeting Rodgers at his drop point, that is on the OL. Lucas Patrick had a very forgettable game against a good (Top 10 pick) rookie in Derrick Brown. Brian Burns was also a speed problem at times. Credit the Panthers there. There were also times Rodgers held the ball, looked off (or missed) open receivers. There were at least two plays where I think he threw to who he wanted to vs. who it was supposed to go to (and was schemed open).

Rodgers did not have a good game; maybe the MVP talk got to him and he was pressing. The OL had a bad game; maybe that spooked Rodgers a bit.
Also -- did you look at Rodgers' passing chart for the game? Barely anything beyond the LOS. He averaged 2.8 yards per pass attempt. They averaged 7.2 yard per carry running the ball -- think about that: assuming the average held (unlikely) they could have run the ball every down and done almost 3 times better.

I wouldn't doubt Rodgers RPO'd and ad-libbed a lot, and it hurt their efficiency, but MLF has to rein that in a little. Losing Jamaal hurt their game plan I think, but they were not good. If he's still out for TEN, this is a Dillon game.

Stop the WR screens for goodness sake. The only time they should do that is when they have an obvious numbers mismatch and are throwing to Austin with big guys like Lazard and MVS in front to block. That probably happens 2-3x a game, not 10.

[GB-Brandon]

This would be the perfect time to unleash Dillion in a cold physical game at Lambeau. He should be rested and fresh. I like it.

The Patrick think has to be figured out too. If they have to leave a guy in to help protect then so be it. THEY NEED TO WORK SOMETHiNG IN OTHER THEN THE WR SCREEN!!! Everyone knows when it’s coming at this point. It’s basically a wasted play. I’m sure with all the talk adjustments have been made.

We really need to win this game for so many reasons. A win mentally changes a lot of things!!