Studs and Duds, Staleys:

[run pMc]

Lafleur is saying the same thing...

I've been on board with this for a while. If they have CBs who are good in press, why not let them? Otherwise, if you're going to play off-man, maybe don't play 8 yards off?

I realize playing off has prevented explosive plays, but I also think tightening up coverage would produce more punts/turnovers.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Savage - making huge plays
King - our weak link isn’t weak

I really like what I saw of King Sunday. (I said "Sunday" because I forget what day it it is.) He is so long and aggressive and athletic. (I assume it was scheme that had him playing too deep at times.)

If he played wearing mittens his game would be unchanged. Oh well.

[Upnorth]

Dud: re hiring slocum as our special teams coordinator for the season. What other reason could there be for our special teams play?

[RashanGary]

I really like what I saw of King Sunday. (I said "Sunday" because I forget what day it it is.) He is so long and aggressive and athletic. (I assume it was scheme that had him playing too deep at times.)

If he played wearing mittens his game would be unchanged. Oh well.

Shocking to see fans bitching about a really solid player. This shit gets tiresome

[RashanGary]

Lafleur is saying the same thing...

Big whoop. King is dialed in on improving other aspects of his game and it’s gotten in the way of him doing what he does best. If you had a craft to work on, I wouldn’t bitch that you’re working on it. Get off the kids back

[Bossman641]

Big whoop. King is dialed in on improving other aspects of his game and it’s gotten in the way of him doing what he does best. If you had a craft to work on, I wouldn’t bitch that you’re working on it. Get off the kids back

Lol I'm all for him growing his game but in complete disagreement with this story you've created about the secondary essentially screwing around during games to work on zone coverage and other things. And if the coach is specifically saying to be more aggressive on short yardage, then Pettine and the secondary should listen.

And FYI I'm a King fan

[RashanGary]

Well, if they really sucked and weren’t building their Arsenal then they should still suck. Funny how it gets turnt up every time the stakes go up. That’s not luck. That’s the fruits of team building labor.

[RashanGary]

It’s funny how all season they’re idiots and now, magically it’s falling together. Dumb luck, huh? Bunch of retards drooling their way into a pot of gold. Has nothing to do with a coach teaching and allowing for real game experience. Just wow.

[Bossman641]

Not sure how you end up with that takeaway out of my critique that the secondary shouldn't line up 8 yards off the receivers when it's third and 3...

[RashanGary]

Not sure how you end up with that takeaway out of my critique that the secondary shouldn't line up 8 yards off the receivers when it's third and 3...

Why was jaire half way into the end zone on the play he stopped Graham? Because he has a great feel for off coverage maybe? How is it that king is less effective? Less of a great feel. How might you improve. Oh, I know, give up and stop trying! The solution for every young player to meet his eventual best is to give up! Sure thing!

[RashanGary]

And every corner who’s not in jaires class should just give up on playing football because they’re trash and have no hope. Of course he’s not trying to get better at said coverages. He’s doing it because they’re coaching him to failure and pettine is one gigantic retard. Why couldn’t I see it before? I’m a gigantic stooge too, I suppose.

[RashanGary]

My ridiculous story of the Packers trying to improve their young players is far less believable than them being a bunch of bumbling monkeys. I’m so stupid to assume things like effort and belief in improvement through growing pains. It’s so far fetched and made up, I can’t believe I’m putting my reputation on the line defending such idiocy.

It’s just ridiculous to me when people assume the worst in intentions. But to see actual turnt up shit at ever turn up in stakes and not assuming the growth was intentional seems barbarically short sighted to me.

[RashanGary]

And that’s coming from a proud red neck, dumb shit, bumbling barbarian.

[run pMc]

My ridiculous story of the Packers trying to improve their young players is far less believable than them being a bunch of bumbling monkeys. I’m so stupid to assume things like effort and belief in improvement through growing pains. It’s so far fetched and made up, I can’t believe I’m putting my reputation on the line defending such idiocy.

It’s just ridiculous to me when people assume the worst in intentions. But to see actual turnt up shit at ever turn up in stakes and not assuming the growth was intentional seems barbarically short sighted to me.

I'm not trashing the secondary. They are young, with the exception of Amos. Having Tramon last year was invaluable for the young guys IMO.
I generally subscribe to the theory that you don't know what you have until 2 seasons (about 32 games). Jaire flashed his rookie year, and has followed it up since with stellar play. All-Pro, Revis island type play. Those guys are almost as rare as a top 5 QB. Savage is starting to round into form at that 2 season mark now -- I think the game is slowing down, he's learning to be a pro, trust his eyes, all the cliches that are true. Pettine is also using him and Amos better, which has helped.
As for King, his development was slowed by his injuries, and he's a good CB2 IMO. Injuries have also hurt his play, and sometimes I think he's misused -- he's better closer to the LOS vs. off or in zone. Dude has long arms and could be a star for a team that plays a lot of press. Problem is his recovery speed is not great if he gets burned, which is weird for a guy who ran a 4.43 40 at the combine. I actually like his run support -- he and Jaire aren't afraid to get into the mess and tackle. They could do a lot worse than him.
Do I think they are beyond criticism? Nope. I also realize they aren't perfect, especially with how the passing game is officiated, and to an extent with Pettine uses them.

All that said, Kevin King is good enough to start for most teams in the league, and I think he'll get interest in FA. Depending on the contract he's seeking, he might be gone. His injury history will give teams (including GB) pause, not his performance. I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves and GB drafts a CB within the first 3 picks.

I could apply the 2 full seasons theory to Rashan Gary (who is showing progress and is at worst a solid OLB), Elgton Jenkins (excellent pick), Oren Burks (bad pick), J'Mon Moore (ugh), etc.
With Jordan Love it's trickier; you really do need to see his play preseason games or spot duty to know if he's developing into a pro QB, and what kind. You hope to see glimmers of good play and progress in those moments and in practice and go from there.

[Bossman641]

Pettine also not happy with the off coverage

We have to have better situational awareness. The corners, depending on the call, if they have deep responsibility, whether it's man or whether it's three-deep or quarters, they do have some options on how to play it. But situationally, we have to better understanding that we can't give easy throws.