AJ Dillon injury

[bobblehead]

I’ve been seeing 6-8 for what he can do. He can run, catch and block and is durable. He has developed himself nicely. I think your undervaluing him. He has kinda been this little secret because he gets overshadowed by Jones but I think you will be surprised what he commands.

He ranks out on PFF only 5 points behind Jones overall. A team is gonna pay him. He can be a no.1.

That would be stupid to pay him. Latavius Murry makes 2.8 Million and I think Ty Montgomery makes 1 million. That is how you fill the RB room. There are a ton of Jamaal Williams out there. I would rather give Jones 12 million than Williams 6.

[KYPack]

I am thinking Dillon won't get a lot of snaps on Sunday. Partly the injury, but also because in order to neutralize the inside pass rush, especially if TB is sending those very quick inside 'backers on pass rushes, you'd better have running backs who know the blocking schemes inside and out and can execute them. Williams is really good; Jones has gotten much better. Dillon's still a rook.

Great observation Fritz. One of the striking things about the Tampa loss was the failure of GB's pass pro. On one blitz, I was shocked to see Devin White flat run over Williams. I'd think they will have Williams primed to get back at the Buc's ILB's for their earlier success on blitzes.

[Jaire]

Take the Air Out Of The Balloon and come down to reality!!! I am far from the Insane one in here!!! Gute is gonna have to draft HIS OWN GUYS!!!!!

He is gonna have to get out of Fairy Tale land and put the RAS Charts down and get with it!!! He has a lot of work ahead of him.

Jenkins, Jaire are all pro. Gary will be and maybe Savage. That's amazing drafting really, esp the Jaire pick. They ignored the noise and group think on Gary. TT's main fault imo was reaching for the next best: Perry, Datone Jones, Jerel Worthy -- all tail end of the tier. You have to review those drafts to see what was "passed up.." And many other years we just missed on the last of a tier. Gute is better at moving around the draft to get actual guys they want, absolutely necessary when you draft low. Only draft guys you like: that seems Gute's MO. You will still whiff but a lot less. Overall, I just see that Gute is drafting a lot better, more like TT in his 1st six years. Honestly the draft quality went down starting 2011 (still top ten in the league though). Partly too, I think that was TT, MM, and Capers living in the game of the past. Consider that from 2011 to 2017 they had only one great Round One pick: Gute is killing his drafts. In 13 years, TT has how many great first round picks? I count four. Gute has as maybe as many in just three years.

Gute is still very much of the TT and even Ron Wolf mold. And how many of "TT's guys" did Gute himself scout? He was TT's head scout several years.


The big signings the last two years were because of a depleted cupboard. It reveals several of TT's faults. Gute grabbed FAs because of years of failed drafts. It's one more year to really refill it. I don't expect much from FA til after draft when there will be a lot of guys on the market hoping for a big contract in a down cap year. He'll sign a few there.

I do think they let all the big names leave in FA. It's a loaded OT class, some say deepest ever, and Gute is very good at drafting linemen. Also we seem to have a really good line coach. We'll move on from Wagner who was a stop gap.

As to RB, they may re-sign Williams but the line is much more important. Go back and see how we neglected drafting line for four years. We've one more year to make up for that. We had a ton of holes when Gute took over.

Draft priorities (given what this draft offers): 2 tackles (we will lose 3 of this year's day one starting OL), 1-2 WRs (another DEEP draft here), CB ....... then whatever (it's a bad year for DL)

[Jaire]

And another thing. Very important difference with Gute.

If you are going to play draft and develop, you have to delve into FA. TT was committed against this (almost religiously as Brandt just noted yesterday) and it ruined the second half of his tenure. It was a good philosophy before other teams caught up to TT.

If you don't fill holes with FA, you cannot go BPA. Period. Starting maybe as early as 2011, GB started drafting need in the early rounds...... because they weren't filling holes with FAs.

Gute clearly is not doing that. The Gary pick is the most obvious sign. They did not need another OLB. He was BPA on their board (whether or not you agree with their scouting is another matter). They didn't heitate to take him. Which was great to see. Likewise with the manuevres in 2018. They were happy just to stay in that top tier and get an extra One the next year (a far far deeper class).

Gute will be fine (and my only problem with their drafting really is taking Dillon so high --- but that's just my evaluation of the position and player and we'll see how Dillon works out and I do get MLF's emphasis on the run game).

[Fritz]

And another thing. Very important difference with Gute.

If you are going to play draft and develop, you have to delve into FA. TT was committed against this (almost religiously as Brandt just noted yesterday) and it ruined the second half of his tenure. It was a good philosophy before other teams caught up to TT.

If you don't fill holes with FA, you cannot go BPA. Period. Starting maybe as early as 2011, GB started drafting need in the early rounds...... because they weren't filling holes with FAs.

Gute clearly is not doing that. The Gary pick is the most obvious sign. They did not need another OLB. He was BPA on their board (whether or not you agree with their scouting is another matter). They didn't heitate to take him. Which was great to see. Likewise with the manuevres in 2018. They were happy just to stay in that top tier and get an extra One the next year (a far far deeper class).

Gute will be fine (and my only problem with their drafting really is taking Dillon so high --- but that's just my evaluation of the position and player and we'll see how Dillon works out and I do get MLF's emphasis on the run game).

It's a lot easier to believe that a draft pick really was just the best player available when you draft someone pretty high up (Dillon second round) when you already have two very good players in that position. I rarely bought it when a GM said that a player was just the BPS but just so happened to fill a team's most pressing need. Yeah, right. Sometimes, sure, but not ofte.

[GB-Brandon]

That would be stupid to pay him. Latavius Murry makes 2.8 Million and I think Ty Montgomery makes 1 million. That is how you fill the RB room. There are a ton of Jamaal Williams out there. I would rather give Jones 12 million than Williams 6.

Latavius Murray is one guy you can cherry pick that out performed his contract that he is under. Chris Carson and Kenyon Drake are both set to hit that 8 million mark which is where many feel Williams skills set and value is similar if he were to get the same opportunities.

The prices go up and not down!!! You should know this. Williams may not be flashy but he checks “All The Boxes” as I’ve posted. He has zero Red Flags.

[GB-Brandon]

That would be stupid to pay him. Latavius Murry makes 2.8 Million and I think Ty Montgomery makes 1 million. That is how you fill the RB room. There are a ton of Jamaal Williams out there. I would rather give Jones 12 million than Williams 6.

Your new name is “Master Cherry Picker”

All you do is run around and find one example to come up with these ridiculous narratives!!!

[GB-Brandon]

Personally. I’d rather pay Jamal over Chris Carson with Jamal having far less miles. Jamal has serious value!!!

You guys are the Fucken Insane ones!!!

[GB-Brandon]

Jenkins, Jaire are all pro. Gary will be and maybe Savage. That's amazing drafting really, esp the Jaire pick. They ignored the noise and group think on Gary. TT's main fault imo was reaching for the next best: Perry, Datone Jones, Jerel Worthy -- all tail end of the tier. You have to review those drafts to see what was "passed up.." And many other years we just missed on the last of a tier. Gute is better at moving around the draft to get actual guys they want, absolutely necessary when you draft low. Only draft guys you like: that seems Gute's MO. You will still whiff but a lot less. Overall, I just see that Gute is drafting a lot better, more like TT in his 1st six years. Honestly the draft quality went down starting 2011 (still top ten in the league though). Partly too, I think that was TT, MM, and Capers living in the game of the past. Consider that from 2011 to 2017 they had only one great Round One pick: Gute is killing his drafts. In 13 years, TT has how many great first round picks? I count four. Gute has as maybe as many in just three years.

Gute is still very much of the TT and even Ron Wolf mold. And how many of "TT's guys" did Gute himself scout? He was TT's head scout several years.


The big signings the last two years were because of a depleted cupboard. It reveals several of TT's faults. Gute grabbed FAs because of years of failed drafts. It's one more year to really refill it. I don't expect much from FA til after draft when there will be a lot of guys on the market hoping for a big contract in a down cap year. He'll sign a few there.

I do think they let all the big names leave in FA. It's a loaded OT class, some say deepest ever, and Gute is very good at drafting linemen. Also we seem to have a really good line coach. We'll move on from Wagner who was a stop gap.

As to RB, they may re-sign Williams but the line is much more important. Go back and see how we neglected drafting line for four years. We've one more year to make up for that. We had a ton of holes when Gute took over.

Draft priorities (given what this draft offers): 2 tackles (we will lose 3 of this year's day one starting OL), 1-2 WRs (another DEEP draft here), CB ....... then whatever (it's a bad year for DL)

Well see man. Until Gute adds the “The Missing Piece” to the offense I will have my reservations. We will have plenty of time to discuss that coming up.

I have my preliminary free agent and draft board ready.

[GB-Brandon]

It’s just so funny to me that people think the Packers are gonna sign all these guys. Decisions are gonna have to be made and probably already have been. If Gute really wanted some of these guys he needed to extend them earlier. It’s too late now!!!!

[texaspackerbacker]

I say again, the Packers certainly could sign all of them. Just the same, if the $6-8 million figure is accurate, it would be unwise to sign Williams.

[GB-Brandon]

I say again, the Packers certainly could sign all of them. Just the same, if the $6-8 million figure is accurate, it would be unwise to sign Williams.

In our situation YES because we have Dillon. It would probably be most cost effective to sign Kenyon Drake(if he became available) if they decided to go FA route who could probably be as effective in this offense with our offensive line as Jones or at lest pretty damn close!!

Drake did a pretty good job behind a horrible Arizona offensive Line. The dude is explosive! Actually had him mocked to Packers few years back.

Drake/Dillon would be lethal!!! Re-sign Linsley and move forward!! Drake would have to make it to FA though and I’m not sure Zona will let that happen.

[GB-Brandon]

I say again, the Packers certainly could sign all of them. Just the same, if the $6-8 million figure is accurate, it would be unwise to sign Williams.

If Brian Gutekunst allocates that much $ to Jones and Williams and the RB position he should be committed immediately to nearest psych facility!!!

[Fritz]

I can see both sides or all sides of this one. As I think Bobble has pointed out, when you look at the last four or five big running back contracts signed, only Kamara (or is it Kamala? I get him mixed up with the VP) seems worth the green. The others are hurt and/or ineffective now, rather suddenly. Yet I think Jones is not that kind of player - he's gotten better and better at staying on the field, and runs hard as hell without getting hurt. He's a bigger better playmaker than I think many on here give him credit for - think of the years and years of mediocrity at running back for the Packers (I think Brandon Williams and Starks and Grant were all pretty mediocre, and Lacey pigged out after two good years). And he can block now, and he can catch the ball well. So those of you saying "yeah just draft his replacement in the fifth round" - i don't think it's that simple.

Yet I can also see that within the context of the cap, it might make more sense to sign Linsley than Jones. You have to have a good offensive line, period. Yet for all those saying Williams/Dillon could replace Jones (which I disagree with), you could argue that Patrick (who has been groomed to play center and got an extension before anyone thought he would) could take over for Linsley, and the beat could go on. Sure, Linsley is better than Patrick, but Jones is better than Williams/Dillon.

Glad I'm not the GM. But I think most here agree that King should be offered a one-year prove-it contract, and if he gets a better deal elsewhere, see ya. Draft his replacement this next draft. I'm sure Gute is kicking himself for whiffing on Josh Jackson. Wasted pick. Dude couldn't even play ST well enough to be made active the last few games. If Gute had hit on a corner instead of picking Jackson, King walking would not be an issue.

[Jaire]

...... Yet I think Jones is not that kind of player - he's gotten better and better at staying on the field, and runs hard as hell without getting hurt. He's a bigger better playmaker than I think many on here give him credit for - think of the years and years of mediocrity at running back for the Packers (I think Brandon Williams and Starks and Grant were all pretty mediocre, and Lacey pigged out after two good years). And he can block now, and he can catch the ball well. So those of you saying "yeah just draft his replacement in the fifth round" - i don't think it's that simple.....

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I would agree. Except that for Mac, the running game was an afterthought. If he had it his way, he would not draft any rbs and never run the ball (and at times he did just that). He didn't even use Jones if you remember. They WILL restock that room for MLF.

If we lose both Jones and Jamaal, they will replace them. Not worried.

The line is far more important. Jenkins is the future, Runyan probably too. I look forward to see who they draft tbh. I think it will be heavy offense again. That seems the strength of the draft. And there should be lots of reasonably priced FAs after the draft. It will be a different off season for sure.

Lindsley, Jones, Jamaal, King, Mercedes (retires?): if we lose them all, I don't think we will drop off much. In fact we could improve even. The only irreplaceable one is Lewis.

They are already focused on re-siging Tonyan, probably Lazard too. I wouldn't even bet on Adams being back. It's a game of replacement. Those screaming for Gute to put his OWN team together are about to get their wish.