Gute’s profile

[RashanGary]

Thompson pulled the trigger on some really high upside guys like Harrell, Sherrod, Raji and Collins. He only hit on Collins and Rodgers with his super high risk picks.

He made his hay with the decent upside, great football players like Nelson, Matthew’s, Sitton, Lang, Jennings, Jones, Finley, Davante and Clark.


Gute is different. Every high pick has been a swing for the fences. Jaire, Gary, Savage, Love. The smaller guys have 4.3 speed and the bigger guy is off the charts athlete and the QB has elite upside for the position. Every single pick is a massive fielder type home run swing.


Swing for the fences and fill in the holes with free agents and scrap heap finds seems to be Gutes profile compared to the mostly safe and consistent Thompson. We’ll see how it shakes out.

[RashanGary]

I kind of like the swings for the fences in the draft with filling in using other avenues. You can find late round and free agent hole fillers. You only really get stars in the draft so swing for the fences on every swing. Lower average but more likely to he a moon shot.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I’m not sure Harrell and Sherrod Were anymore high upside than the likes of CMIII and Clark. The guys you mentioned for Gute were all first round picks. The guys you mentioned for TT were all post-1st round picks—except for high end guys like Clark and CMIII. Clay was an incredible athlete coming up who started for one year in college.

I’m not sure this holds wash.

[Bretsky]

Is the Love Machine a swing for the fence ? Is he as athletic as say, Lamar Jackson ? I'm too lazy to look it up but I would not have considered him tot be off the charts home run guy

[Joemailman]

Is the Love Machine a swing for the fence ? Is he as athletic as say, Lamar Jackson ? I'm too lazy to look it up but I would not have considered him tot be off the charts home run guy

He's certainly well above average in terms of athleticism, but I don't think I'd put him Jackson's class. He's a physical specimen who need to be developed.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/j...ove/PbA4nRzHfK

Jordan Love isn’t without his warts but he possesses a high-level physical skill set and peaks on tape that reveal the ceiling of a potential dynamic NFL starting quarterback. His arm talent and mobility is perfect for the trends of today’s NFL and there is no limitations to what he can do on the field. The full playbook is open for Love and then some. With that said, he does need to make notable strides in several key areas including decision-making, timing and accuracy to achieve his ceiling. An early investment in Love is a bet on yourself to be able to develop his overall game but his upside is worth the calculated risk.

[Jaire]

Harrell #16 (Jets jumped us for Regis at #14 -- Gute, the madman, picks up Jaire and grabs an extra first). Harrell was a great prospect though and a big swing. Bad luck

AJ Hawk #5 (but that was a different era and the following year had all the HoFers. It was kind of bad luck to have so high a pick that year.) Hawk was a very safe pick.

The guys that Gute is swinging on are not that risky imo. The scouts did their HW (They had followed Savage for several years). Gute is swinging. That's the only way to play draft and develop. TT did it too but TT did NOT like moving up. Said he even wasn't sure he would move up for Mathews again years later. You have to move (up or down) when you draft low. The Colts like moving down. If you don't get a top tier pick you need to take more swings in later rounds or focus on non premiere positions. Gute has moved up every year now in Rd one. THAT is the real difference. Almost EVERY year the tier one players are gone when we pick (except Clark). And some draft classes are weak and thin. Gute just plays the board better imo.

He won't waste picks on guys like Randall, Perry, Datone, Sherrod (i.e. the left overs). That is where you really swing and miss. Also blowing picks on Neal, Worthy, Thornton....... These were bad "swings" even a bit desperate.

And this is the other difference. TT said on day one (to Brandt) that he would not get any FAs. But that is where you get the pieces you can't get in the draft.

So, overall Gute has a much better approach.

[GB-Brandon]

Gute’s Profile? LOL!!!!

You mean an RAS chart and binoculars at the combine!!!!

Give me a Fucken break!!!

[Jaire]

The Scouts were following Savage for two years. Don't think it's RAS. He was targeted. Many of the Packers' picks are targeted for a long time. Gute is in the mold of TT. He's a scout. That hasn't changed.

And the Packers Big Board is very small is pretty short (as most GMs). I hope it's shorter than TT's which had too many prospects that shouldn't have been drafted.

[texaspackerbacker]

If Love has any kind of upside like Lamar Jackson, he sure didn't show it in college like Jackson did. If he was that kind of a runner, I would assume the Packers would put in a few packages for him as a wildcat or returner or Tavon Austin/Tyler Ervin type or whatever.

I'd agree, Gute hit it big time with his first couple of drafts, but I'm thinking he totally blew it with Love - except maybe for lighting a fire under Aaron Rodgers.

[Jaire]

We know nothing of Love really. He has a big arm. Can make all the throws. I would never bet against GB taking a QB with a first. Oh and from what Rodgers is saying I think he might be good. But Love has not played a down yet.

In other news, Stafford is likely going to San Fran. That team gonna be scary good the next 4 to 6 years.

[GB-Brandon]

The Scouts were following Savage for two years. Don't think it's RAS. He was targeted. Many of the Packers' picks are targeted for a long time. Gute is in the mold of TT. He's a scout. That hasn't changed.

And the Packers Big Board is very small is pretty short (as most GMs). I hope it's shorter than TT's which had too many prospects that shouldn't have been drafted.

I’m not so convinced of that. Maybe they were with Savage or I could also see with Jaire or even Love but if you go side by side down the picks Gute pretty much drafted just about everyone with high RAS measurable’s with some lacking “Consistent Production.”

One of Thompson’s main legs of the chair holding up his picks or a draft pick was “Production.” He talked of it all the time. Gute has bypassed this requirement many times and taken more chances on measurable’s with a prospect that had less then stellar production.

So if your gonna spew this stuff please get it right. When we get into draft season I’m going to be presenting information fast and I don’t have time to go back and forth on things that just aren’t true!!!!

[Fritz]

We know nothing of Love really. He has a big arm. Can make all the throws. I would never bet against GB taking a QB with a first. Oh and from what Rodgers is saying I think he might be good. But Love has not played a down yet.

In other news, Stafford is likely going to San Fran. That team gonna be scary good the next 4 to 6 years.

I'm sixty years old, and I absolutely agree with that statement.

As for Stafford going to SF, where'd you hear that?

[easy cheesy]

https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2021...thew-stafford/

Possibility...

[Jaire]

.So if your gonna spew this stuff please get it right. When we get into draft season I’m going to be presenting information fast and I don’t have time to go back and forth on things that just aren’t true!!!!

Actually Savage mentioned it when he was drafted. Specifically he mentioned that GB (and only GB)scouts were at his practices even a year before the draft. GB was all over him b4 draft. His speed is on the game tape. You don't need a combine. So yeah, it's RAS but also take and production with him. They don't TARGET every pick. They didn't target Gary. They didn't expect him to be on the board. What they said.

Why shout? And please CITE ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE that Gute only looks at RAS. Just one testimony. I have never heard this in 3 years. Did Gute say that? Anyone in the FO? Anyone who left? Ever? This is your fantasy. Now it's clear he's big on SPARQ. So was Wolf. So what? Do you want the plodders that TT too often grabbed?

Do you mean that Gute and his most meticulous tape watchers in the NFL are doing that ALL for a smoke screan? They actually just go off SPARQ??? They are top 5 in the league in scouting (esp late round). That hasn't changed since TT. They are always looking for an edge there too.

Again, you are literally the first person in 10 years I have heard suggest this.

I do agree with you that Gute has moved away from production. BUT YOU NEED to develop an edge on draft day. Gary was the #1 DL prospect since HS. Don't do GROUP THINK. Do your own research. Find out why he didn't produce. That's how to gain an edge.

And did Clay Matthews have production?? How much "production" did Randall and Rollins have? Production was not the only guide for TT either.

I'm just relating what Savage said and what the GB FO has said.

[GB-Brandon]

Actually Savage mentioned it when he was drafted. Specifically he mentioned that GB (and only GB)scouts were at his practices even a year before the draft. GB was all over him b4 draft. His speed is on the game tape. You don't need a combine. So yeah, it's RAS but also take and production with him. They don't TARGET every pick. They didn't target Gary. They didn't expect him to be on the board. What they said.

Why shout? And please CITE ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE that Gute only looks at RAS. Just one testimony. I have never heard this in 3 years. Did Gute say that? Anyone in the FO? Anyone who left? Ever? This is your fantasy. Now it's clear he's big on SPARQ. So was Wolf. So what? Do you want the plodders that TT too often grabbed?

Do you mean that Gute and his most meticulous tape watchers in the NFL are doing that ALL for a smoke screan? They actually just go off SPARQ??? They are top 5 in the league in scouting (esp late round). That hasn't changed since TT. They are always looking for an edge there too.

Again, you are literally the first person in 10 years I have heard suggest this.

I do agree with you that Gute has moved away from production. BUT YOU NEED to develop an edge on draft day. Gary was the #1 DL prospect since HS. Don't do GROUP THINK. Do your own research. Find out why he didn't produce. That's how to gain an edge.

And did Clay Matthews have production?? How much "production" did Randall and Rollins have? Production was not the only guide for TT either.

I'm just relating what Savage said and what the GB FO has said.

I don’t disagree with you in regards to Savage. I am simply saying we need get back to keeping an eye on “Production” in the mid to late rounds and quite just picking combine champions. Start getting back to getting value like we did with guys like AJ, J. Williams, Blake Martinez, Dean Lowry, Corey Linsley, Fackrel, Micah Hyde etc etc.

This is where you build your roster and need to find contributors and decent to good football players and an occasional star. The older I get the more I understand what Thompson was doing as far as the draft part and Gute is not following this to a tee as you suggest.