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  • #31
    Originally posted by MadtownPacker View Post
    The MVP wasn't the MVP much of the game. As mentioned offense got the ball back repeatedly in the second half. I agree it would have been better to go for it. No difference down 5 or down 8, still need a TD.
    So many mistakes. So poorly called, so poorly executed.

    Agree with Mad above, first of all. You get the ball back that many times on turnovers and all you can get out of it is six points? Rodgers was okay, nothing more. He missed a wide-open Lazard on a red-zone play in which he opted to throw to the back of the end zone to Adams who was clearly heading out of bounds as he caught it. Lazard was in the front of the end zone, nine yards in front of Adams, wide open. So he was in Rodgers's field of vision. Also, on that third-and-goal throw at the end of the game to Adams - you look at the reply with the camera that's behind Rodgers, and it's clear he had a pretty good chance to run the ball into the right corner of the end zone. Instead he threw it to a double-covered Adams. Sheesh.

    LeFleur should be crucified for this game. The team was not ready from the opening bell. The play calling was horrible - he suffered the same mistake that MM used to make - the run doesn't work right away, so he abandons the ship. And he did find two things in the running game that worked: first, the old 49ers sweep, which I think he ran twice in the first half, both picking up nice gains. Then he started using Dillon after Jones was hurt, and he was the most effective back on the field. But LeFleur kept calling passes, and worse yet, lots of side-to-side stuff that didn't work much. The play call on the second Jones fumble was a terrible one. Jones was never going to get that first down, not never. Anyway, why did The Flower not keep using the old SF sweep play? Man, once he gave up on the run, Tampa just pinned its ears back. And his call - not going for it on fourth down - made zero sense. Why would you pass on that opportunity? Do you want Aaron Rodgers to have one shot at a touchdown and if successful, another one-play shot at a two-point conversion, or do you want to give the ball to Tom Brady against your defense, which was hapless for much of the day? What a stupid, stupid call.

    King was horrible, just horrible. There is just zero excuse for letting a wide receiver get behind you at the end of the half when your entire job is to keep the guy in front of you. King was bad all day, just all day long. A dollar short and a day late.

    Pettine was also terrible in preparing this defense. How many times did they get the Bucs into third-and-long situations, only to give up a long, long completion? It was evident early on that the Packers' fronts could get no pressure on Brady, so why did he only blitz very occasionally, and that later in the game? Sure, Brady could burn you, but he was burning this defense because he had all day to throw.

    Zadarius Smith was lousy. Gary was a non-entity. Only Kenny Clark played well, and he played really well. Actually, against the running game, Dean Lowry played well, too. But Z Smith was invisible. He's supposed to be a big-play guy, but he was invisible.

    Jaire Alexander was wonderful. What a player.

    MVS played a good game.

    Tonyan was okay, but he dropped a key third down pass from Rodgers in the second half. I think it was one of the attempted drives after one of the interceptions. Tonyan makes that grab, and they have a chance.

    I have been rooting for Encylopedia St. Brown, but the two-point conversion drop was inexcusable.

    So many mistakes, all piled up on top of one another. Makes me sick. Because Brady wasn't really all that great, either. The minute they pushed the pocket on him, he was throwing lolly pops up in the air in the second half. Again, where was Pettine's adjustment to get more pressure on Brady?

    The Tampa Bay defense was great. Aggressive and fast. They really do close fast. You'd think Jones was about to pop one, when suddenly he was down on the ground.

    JK Scott needs to be replaced. His first punt, when they needed something, was 38 yards. What a pud.

    Special teams were their usual sucky selves, even with first stringers playing. Couple of big kick returns put Brady in good position.

    Aaron Jones played a poor game - two fumbles, and the second was a dagger.

    Mercedes Lewis played well.

    Jamal Williams demonstrated that he's a nice second fiddle, but that's about it.

    Poor Rick Wagner. The guy's knees are shot, and the Tampa DE took advantage of Wagner's immobility.

    What really sucks is that if this team had played even okay, they'd be in the SB. Adams dropping a TD pass in the first half, so they have to settle for a FG instead of tying it at 14? King's inexcusable mistake at the end of the half? LeFleur's abandoning of the run altogether?

    If they'd played pretty well and lost, well, it would hurt. But they played a terrible, terrible game. Sure, TB had something to do with it, but mostly the Pack just kept shooting themselves in the foot. And I hope LeFleur does some soul searching about his play calling in rematch games.

    What a poop stain.
    "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

    KYPack

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    • #32
      Just going to give my 2 cents before getting ready to draft in my dynasty league.

      1) MVS did everything you could ask of him. If he can display the game he showed over the last 6-7 games he is a legit #2. CONSISTENCY.

      2) Pettine needs to go. He lived off Rex Ryan's brilliance and isn't a good DC. However this game was lost based on many factors, not just him. I'm not scapegoating him, just pointing out a truth.

      3) I don't like blaming officials, but I have watched too many Tom Brady playoff games to not say this. Defensive holding is a drive killer/drive extender. Brady has benefitted so many times throughout the years. In this game they completely change the dynamic when they didn't throw the flag on the Rodgers interception. We were driving to either close or take the lead and/or kill the half while getting second half kickoff. Instead no call and a defensive breakdown gives TB 21-10 lead. Also killed a drive in the 4th quarter when Lazard was mugged and no call on 3rd down. Then with game on the line they find their flags on a play that was similar to what TB did all game and was borderline uncatchable.

      Edit: 4) Why on earth was Rodgers afraid to run to the endzone with the Owl on the line? He acted like a cold 37 year old QB on those 2 plays. Anyone think Flower kicks a FG if Rodgers had taken it to the 1 or 2 yard line?

      The officials alone didn't cost us this game, it was a team loss. I'm not blaming any one factor. The defense got 3 picks, but failed in big moments. Rodgers was really good, but took too long to get rolling and then stalled in the 4th when we could have changed the outcome. LaFleur is a great coach, but abandoned the run when Jones got hurt (and a little before even). And Jones...not a good look for a guy wanting a huge deal. ST...well, special as always.

      See you all around draft or combine time.
      The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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      • #33


        Excellent article sums it all up. Again, no ONE place to blame, but culmination of problems. I think if we play them 5 more times in Lambeau we win 4 of them.
        The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Fritz View Post
          So many mistakes. So poorly called, so poorly executed.

          Agree with Mad above, first of all. You get the ball back that many times on turnovers and all you can get out of it is six points? Rodgers was okay, nothing more. He missed a wide-open Lazard on a red-zone play in which he opted to throw to the back of the end zone to Adams who was clearly heading out of bounds as he caught it. Lazard was in the front of the end zone, nine yards in front of Adams, wide open. So he was in Rodgers's field of vision. Also, on that third-and-goal throw at the end of the game to Adams - you look at the reply with the camera that's behind Rodgers, and it's clear he had a pretty good chance to run the ball into the right corner of the end zone. Instead he threw it to a double-covered Adams. Sheesh.

          LeFleur should be crucified for this game. The team was not ready from the opening bell. The play calling was horrible - he suffered the same mistake that MM used to make - the run doesn't work right away, so he abandons the ship. And he did find two things in the running game that worked: first, the old 49ers sweep, which I think he ran twice in the first half, both picking up nice gains. Then he started using Dillon after Jones was hurt, and he was the most effective back on the field. But LeFleur kept calling passes, and worse yet, lots of side-to-side stuff that didn't work much. The play call on the second Jones fumble was a terrible one. Jones was never going to get that first down, not never. Anyway, why did The Flower not keep using the old SF sweep play? Man, once he gave up on the run, Tampa just pinned its ears back. And his call - not going for it on fourth down - made zero sense. Why would you pass on that opportunity? Do you want Aaron Rodgers to have one shot at a touchdown and if successful, another one-play shot at a two-point conversion, or do you want to give the ball to Tom Brady against your defense, which was hapless for much of the day? What a stupid, stupid call.

          King was horrible, just horrible. There is just zero excuse for letting a wide receiver get behind you at the end of the half when your entire job is to keep the guy in front of you. King was bad all day, just all day long. A dollar short and a day late.

          Pettine was also terrible in preparing this defense. How many times did they get the Bucs into third-and-long situations, only to give up a long, long completion? It was evident early on that the Packers' fronts could get no pressure on Brady, so why did he only blitz very occasionally, and that later in the game? Sure, Brady could burn you, but he was burning this defense because he had all day to throw.

          Zadarius Smith was lousy. Gary was a non-entity. Only Kenny Clark played well, and he played really well. Actually, against the running game, Dean Lowry played well, too. But Z Smith was invisible. He's supposed to be a big-play guy, but he was invisible.

          Jaire Alexander was wonderful. What a player.

          MVS played a good game.

          Tonyan was okay, but he dropped a key third down pass from Rodgers in the second half. I think it was one of the attempted drives after one of the interceptions. Tonyan makes that grab, and they have a chance.

          I have been rooting for Encylopedia St. Brown, but the two-point conversion drop was inexcusable.

          So many mistakes, all piled up on top of one another. Makes me sick. Because Brady wasn't really all that great, either. The minute they pushed the pocket on him, he was throwing lolly pops up in the air in the second half. Again, where was Pettine's adjustment to get more pressure on Brady?

          The Tampa Bay defense was great. Aggressive and fast. They really do close fast. You'd think Jones was about to pop one, when suddenly he was down on the ground.

          JK Scott needs to be replaced. His first punt, when they needed something, was 38 yards. What a pud.

          Special teams were their usual sucky selves, even with first stringers playing. Couple of big kick returns put Brady in good position.

          Aaron Jones played a poor game - two fumbles, and the second was a dagger.

          Mercedes Lewis played well.

          Jamal Williams demonstrated that he's a nice second fiddle, but that's about it.

          Poor Rick Wagner. The guy's knees are shot, and the Tampa DE took advantage of Wagner's immobility.

          What really sucks is that if this team had played even okay, they'd be in the SB. Adams dropping a TD pass in the first half, so they have to settle for a FG instead of tying it at 14? King's inexcusable mistake at the end of the half? LeFleur's abandoning of the run altogether?

          If they'd played pretty well and lost, well, it would hurt. But they played a terrible, terrible game. Sure, TB had something to do with it, but mostly the Pack just kept shooting themselves in the foot. And I hope LeFleur does some soul searching about his play calling in rematch games.

          What a poop stain.
          Great analysis. If I didn't have a headache, this is what I'd write up. It's a tough read, but that's what went down.

          Lot of work to turn this ship in the right direction.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by KYPack View Post
            Great analysis. If I didn't have a headache, this is what I'd write up. It's a tough read, but that's what went down.

            Lot of work to turn this ship in the right direction.
            Ole Fritz forgot to mention Turner. Couldn’t handle that French guy, Jason Prairie-Luc. And that fucking Irish O’Sullivan, #39, he was an abomination; I actually wished Mr. Hyde was still out there for the Packers.

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            • #36
              Well Rodgers is getting ready to talk his way out of here so some of you people won’t have the AGONY of having to complain about his play all the time and making him the problem anymore!!!
              You can nit pick the great Jordan Love to death!!

              Enjoy the 4-12 Misery!!!!

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              • #37
                Originally posted by bobblehead View Post
                Just going to give my 2 cents before getting ready to draft in my dynasty league.

                1) MVS did everything you could ask of him. If he can display the game he showed over the last 6-7 games he is a legit #2. CONSISTENCY.

                2) Pettine needs to go. He lived off Rex Ryan's brilliance and isn't a good DC. However this game was lost based on many factors, not just him. I'm not scapegoating him, just pointing out a truth.

                3) I don't like blaming officials, but I have watched too many Tom Brady playoff games to not say this. Defensive holding is a drive killer/drive extender. Brady has benefitted so many times throughout the years. In this game they completely change the dynamic when they didn't throw the flag on the Rodgers interception. We were driving to either close or take the lead and/or kill the half while getting second half kickoff. Instead no call and a defensive breakdown gives TB 21-10 lead. Also killed a drive in the 4th quarter when Lazard was mugged and no call on 3rd down. Then with game on the line they find their flags on a play that was similar to what TB did all game and was borderline uncatchable.

                Edit: 4) Why on earth was Rodgers afraid to run to the endzone with the Owl on the line? He acted like a cold 37 year old QB on those 2 plays. Anyone think Flower kicks a FG if Rodgers had taken it to the 1 or 2 yard line?

                The officials alone didn't cost us this game, it was a team loss. I'm not blaming any one factor. The defense got 3 picks, but failed in big moments. Rodgers was really good, but took too long to get rolling and then stalled in the 4th when we could have changed the outcome. LaFleur is a great coach, but abandoned the run when Jones got hurt (and a little before even). And Jones...not a good look for a guy wanting a huge deal. ST...well, special as always.

                See you all around draft or combine time.
                MLF likely would have gone for it. Plus, if you get the ball down close, you force Bucs to bring in run support personnel, which increases likelihood of successful passing play if you want to go that route.
                I can't run no more
                With that lawless crowd
                While the killers in high places
                Say their prayers out loud
                But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                A thundercloud
                They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by George Cumby View Post
                  I'm besides myself at the moment.
                  Still drunk?

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                  • #39
                    Time to move forward with Love!!! He can probably get to the endzone on that play and get more out of these massively talented receivers!!

                    Great Call!!

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                    • #40
                      I have to start looking at how Aaron Rodgers played. Put it this way, versus the Bucs I would have taken gunslinger Brett Favre any day of the week.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by hoosier View Post
                        Still drunk?
                        High on life.

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                        • #42
                          Rodgers will go somewhere else and they will supportwith what he needs like Tampa has supported Brady and he will win a couple more rings and it will be the final nail in the coffin of this completely dysfunctional organization!!!!

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by GB-Brandon View Post
                            Rodgers will go somewhere else and they will supportwith what he needs like Tampa has supported Brady and he will win a couple more rings and it will be the final nail in the coffin of this completely dysfunctional organization!!!!
                            Out of curiosity, which franchises are tailor made for Rodgers to step into and could fit him under the cap?
                            Go PACK

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Bossman641 View Post
                              Out of curiosity, which franchises are tailor made for Rodgers to step into and could fit him under the cap?
                              Colts and Patriots have the cap room right now. 49ers would have the cap room of they released Jimmy G.
                              I can't run no more
                              With that lawless crowd
                              While the killers in high places
                              Say their prayers out loud
                              But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                              A thundercloud
                              They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                              • #45
                                I know everyone is salty right now, but there's no way they cut or trade Rodgers this year. MVP, save almost no money, still under 40, backup situation is tenuous at best, Lara Flynn Boyle is a FA and will be looking for some playing time.

                                Someone surprising is going to get cut to save money. Preston will be cut or restructured, Zadarius is one that I wonder what will happen. Maybe a restructure and add 2 years?
                                Originally posted by 3irty1
                                This is museum quality stupidity.

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