2021 Packers offense

[bobblehead]

The only reason not to bet a team wins 12 or more - if they are good enough to win 12 or more - is injuries. Yeah, if Aaron Rodgers gets hurt or a team has a streak of injuries like the Niners had, then extreme shit can happen. However, the Packers with Aaron Rodgers and the ok not great overall current supporting cast they have should literally win every game. Sure, they'll probably screw up and lose several, but I'd certainly bet it isn't more than 3 or 4.

Have they even had these pick-up threads for 13 years or anything near it? I don't think so. I don't recall any year, though, going back to pre-Favre years that I would have predicted a Packer team with more than 4 losses. You have people whining about so few Super Bowls; I won't say i don't give a damn about Super Bowls, but I much prefer having a team that is a consistent winner just about every year for going on thirty years now than being one of those feast or famine teams that wins the SB but falls through the floor as often as not.

I rest my case. You would hold an astounding 9-19. Awesome track record. Bravo. Hand clappy emoji. All that good stuff that I can say or show to mock you.

Tex, I'm a homer. Hoping for 19 wins next year unless they play 17 regular season then lets just round it to an andrew Jackson 20 wins. But you remind me of my friends wife in some ways. She never quite understands that 32 other teams and fan bases are trying to win too. If we win 11 games and peak into the playoffs I'll take my chances.

The one thing we agree on, slightly for different reasons though is avoiding the boom or bust thing. Of the 10 teams that try it every year, one wins about every other year. So the track record is about 1 in 20 (hmmm...how many Owls we have in last 22 years?) and its ensued by season of unwatchable football. We are doing it right now, but Gutes has a cutoff in mind and hopefully only 1 crappy season will ensue. The saints won't be a contender for the next 5 years.

Every year I hear guys like Brandon tell me SF or KC or pick your team is unbeatable because they are going for it. It rarely pans out. Barring Rogers injury we are a near lock to win 10 games this year. Like each of the last 2 seasons we have as good a chance as anyone to reach the Owl. I'll take that year in and year out.

[Upnorth]

If we don't get bakh back early I think a major injury to jenkins would gaurentee a below 10 win gane as well if we have the same oline we do now.
Losing bakh and Lindsey is bad enough that i am hoping for 11 wins at this point.

[RashanGary]

If we don't get bakh back early I think a major injury to jenkins would gaurentee a below 10 win gane as well if we have the same oline we do now.
Losing bakh and Lindsey is bad enough that i am hoping for 11 wins at this point.

Yep.

[RashanGary]

Packers only hope on OL is development, something they've been elite at for decades. Runyan might be a staple and some of the other young guys have a chance. We’ll see. Rodgers bringing back his entire arsenal in the 3rd year offense bodes well for being able to quickly get the ball out and make due while Bakh mends .

[texaspackerbacker]

Bobblehead, a homer isn't merely somebody who wants the team to win; It's somebody who expects the team to win and ain't afraid to say it.

Upnorth, the team arguably was just as good or damn near it without Bakhtiari as with him. A Jenkins injury would hurt, but we'd survive that very well too.

I see zero reason why the offense shouldn't be at least as good as last year. Pair that with a better defense - it better be with the new DC, and no way the team wins less than last season - barring major injuries to Rodgers or Jones or Adams.

[Jaire]

Setting injury and Bakh's late return aside, they need to draft OT. That's where they lost against TB on offense. The pass pro against TB in two games was worse than the rest of the teams combined almost. Post season is all that matters.

It's a deeper WR class but not as good at top imo. They'll add 1 or 2. It will be interesting who they add.

[Joemailman]

Setting injury and Bakh's late return aside, they need to draft OT. That's where they lost against TB on offense. The pass pro against TB in two games was worse than the rest of the teams combined almost. Post season is all that matters.

It's a deeper WR class but not as good at top imo. They'll add 1 or 2. It will be interesting who they add.

I hope Gutey holds onto his 3rd and 4th round picks because I think there's value at WR and DL in those rounds. There should be value in 1st round at OT.

[Upnorth]

Bobblehead, a homer isn't merely somebody who wants the team to win; It's somebody who expects the team to win and ain't afraid to say it.

Upnorth, the team arguably was just as good or damn near it without Bakhtiari as with him. A Jenkins injury would hurt, but we'd survive that very well too.

I see zero reason why the offense shouldn't be at least as good as last year. Pair that with a better defense - it better be with the new DC, and no way the team wins less than last season - barring major injuries to Rodgers or Jones or Adams.

Do you watch the line during the game? I try to watch it during live action then change focus to skill position on replays. To me the left edge pressure changed a fair amount immediately and once we faced a healthy dl pass rush (no Donald against rams remember) it got home. Now Lindsey is gone so our middle won't be as stout. I believe he gave up 4 pressures last year. If dillion doesn't get more power carries to back the d off and one of the 2 3rd round tes can't become stout blockers rodgers will get a lot more pressure. And he does not respond to pressure as well as he used to. And I'm kinda worried our run game will greatly suffer with out bakh and Lindsey.
Man now im getting depressed.

I think we are weaker over all on d (real genius. Observation there huh) but we need to address the ol more than any other position. Rodgers is the key so we need to protect him and give him the time he needs.

[Upnorth]

I really hope I am wrong about jones being a product of our line and rodgers.
I felt optimistic last year heading into draft. Not as much this year. We have a great great team but I feel like we have such huge holes now with the loss on the o line, Clark regressing on the d and king looking like hot garbage.
Barnes and Martin are a big upgrade though so maybe I should focus there.

[Fritz]

I really hope I am wrong about jones being a product of our line and rodgers.
I felt optimistic last year heading into draft. Not as much this year. We have a great great team but I feel like we have such huge holes now with the loss on the o line, Clark regressing on the d and king looking like hot garbage.
Barnes and Martin are a big upgrade though so maybe I should focus there.

Great nickname! "Hot Garbage" King.

[bobblehead]

I really hope I am wrong about jones being a product of our line and rodgers.
I felt optimistic last year heading into draft. Not as much this year. We have a great great team but I feel like we have such huge holes now with the loss on the o line, Clark regressing on the d and king looking like hot garbage.
Barnes and Martin are a big upgrade though so maybe I should focus there.

Its not binary. Jones is very good and the line was very good. Combined they produced an elite run game.

Every team has holes and every team is one injury away from major holes. Good coaches overcome that. Depth helps with that. We will never have a perfect roster, but the roster they have right now is top notch overall. They should absolutely be right there in the conversation again next year.

[Upnorth]

I understand we are a great team but 11 wins will be tough this year. I assumed 11 last year. Different optics. I expected d regression and o improvememt in 2020. We got extremes on both. I expect o regression this year but doubt d improvement mostly due to coaching.

[sharpe1027]

We could really use a lucky draft pick that results in a surprise contributor. An edge player or skill position, for example. Not expected, but that's the type of break that could make the difference.

[RashanGary]

We could really use a lucky draft pick that results in a surprise contributor. An edge player or skill position, for example. Not expected, but that's the type of break that could make the difference.

Some luck would be great. Maybe we luck out and get a rotational DL or starting RT. A legit player would be great out the gate.

[texaspackerbacker]

Do you watch the line during the game? I try to watch it during live action then change focus to skill position on replays. To me the left edge pressure changed a fair amount immediately and once we faced a healthy dl pass rush (no Donald against rams remember) it got home. Now Lindsey is gone so our middle won't be as stout. I believe he gave up 4 pressures last year. If dillion doesn't get more power carries to back the d off and one of the 2 3rd round tes can't become stout blockers rodgers will get a lot more pressure. And he does not respond to pressure as well as he used to. And I'm kinda worried our run game will greatly suffer with out bakh and Lindsey.
Man now im getting depressed.

I think we are weaker over all on d (real genius. Observation there huh) but we need to address the ol more than any other position. Rodgers is the key so we need to protect him and give him the time he needs.

One thing that annoyed me about Bakhtiari that he seemed to have a "it's not my job attitude" - many times, I would see him blocking somebody and another pass rusher would scoot right past him on the outside free and fast about a foot away. I don't know, maybe that's the way the O Line was coached, but it happened way too often IMO. Also, the run game worked inside a helluva lot better than it did outside. That's a negative about Bakhtiari, of course, and a positive about Linsley. Myself, though, I expect there to be just as many holes for Jones inside without Linsley as there was with him, and I expect the pass rush to be blocked about as good too.