RON WOLF------Admitted Biggest Mistake ?????

[RashanGary]

Always thought Wolf should trade 1st and 2nd round picks to get as many 3rd rounders as possible. Then trade up from 4th -6th to get another 3rd. Keep the 7th rounders even if there was only one Donald Driver.

Wolf's 3rd round picks:
Tyrone Williams
Mike McKenzie
Brian Williams
Mike Flannigan
Willie Henderson
Gabe Wilkims
Earl Dotson
Robert Brooks

That's a big part of the SB and a lot of snaps in that crowd.

Wow, and TT/Gute keep missing in that round. Crazy.

[run pMc]

Wolf did not draft well in R1.
Jamal Reynolds was supposed to be pretty good prospect coming out of college, I still remember a scout in McGinn's writeups saying something like his leverage was so low "he could walk under a duck".

His R1 picks were
Vinnie Clark
Terrell Buckley
Wayne Simmons
Aaron Taylor
Craig Newsome
John Michels
Ross Verba
Vonnie Holiday
Antuan Edwards
Bubba Franks
Jamal Reynolds

Not a lot of Pro Bowls there.

[Joemailman]

Wolf did not draft well in R1.
Jamal Reynolds was supposed to be pretty good prospect coming out of college, I still remember a scout in McGinn's writeups saying something like his leverage was so low "he could walk under a duck".

His R1 picks were
Vinnie Clark
Terrell Buckley
Wayne Simmons
Aaron Taylor
Craig Newsome
John Michels
Ross Verba
Vonnie Holiday
Antuan Edwards
Bubba Franks
Jamal Reynolds

Not a lot of Pro Bowls there.

I agree with your overall point, although Vinnie Clark was not his pick. Clark was drafted in 1991. Wolf was hired by the Packers later in 1991. Had some tough luck with Aaron Taylor and Craig Newsome. They were excellent players who had short careers due to injuries.

[hoosier]

Giving up Hasselbeck and D1.17 for D1.10 and a third seems a little dumb in retrospect. But if you are going to argue that Wolf made as many blunders as TT (maybe he did), you also need to look at the Wolf trades that did pan out and compare those to TT's successes in the trade market. Intuition says that Wolf would come out quite a bit ahead in a trade history comparison. Off the top of my head: giving up a late D1 for Favre, a D2 to Miami for Keith Jackson, Matt LaBounty for Eugene Robinson, and sending the immortal Fred Vinson to those same Seasquawks for Ahman Green. And then there were the anonymous trades that worked out brilliantly, like sending a Glen Milburn to the Bears for a D7 (which became Donald Driver) and sending Dave McCloughan to the Seasquawks (yes, again) for a D6 that became Doug Evans.

[Fritz]

Giving up Hasselbeck and D1.17 for D1.10 and a third seems a little dumb in retrospect. But if you are going to argue that Wolf made as many blunders as TT (maybe he did), you also need to look at the Wolf trades that did pan out and compare those to TT's successes in the trade market. Intuition says that Wolf would come out quite a bit ahead in a trade history comparison. Off the top of my head: giving up a late D1 for Favre, a D2 to Miami for Keith Jackson, Matt LaBounty for Eugene Robinson, and sending the immortal Fred Vinson to those same Seasquawks for Ahman Green. And then there were the anonymous trades that worked out brilliantly, like sending a Glen Milburn to the Bears for a D7 (which became Donald Driver) and sending Dave McCloughan to the Seasquawks (yes, again) for a D6 that became Doug Evans.

Thompson made fourteen trades during his era as GM; the vast majority of those were low-level trades - swapping Samkon Gado for I-don't-remember-who. So I imagine he did probably make fewer trades, and cetainly Ron Wolf made more high-level trades.

Thompson's two best were a future sixth for Ryan Grant, and the third rounder he got for Brett Favre, which he then packaged in the draft to move up into the first and take Clay Matthews.

Most of his low-level trades had little impact for either side.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Meanwhile, all Sherman ever did in Round 1 was draft Pro Bowler J-Walk, white All-Pro “Mike” Nick Barnett and the fastest corner in Packer history in the infamous Ahmad Carroll (4.34 40 at the NFL combine; “Pro Day” times are subjective and therefore Ole Samwise Shields’ reportedly 4.30 ain’t legit).

Chronic porn addiction might be fucking with my short-term memory, but my long-term brain cells appear alright. Back in them good ole days when we all were “young and full of life and full of love,” I recall Harrell saying that he was impressed with Carroll’s extremely thick arms while he was witnessing a camp practice.

No wonder Sherman never once missed the playoffs as GM.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I told a story about meeting the luxury automobile, but I have held the story about Alvarez tight to my vest. I met him and asked what his biggest regret was.

"Well bobble, I had a chance to recruit this skinny white CB who shut down Darren Charles once. I looked at him and said to myself "self, a skinny 5'8" white kid ain't gonna cut it in D1" It was a mistake, just like not recruiting black QBs...except for that short kid named Russell who I thought would be a better baseball player"

Direct quote. Take it to the bank. I think Barry is in therapy and rehab for his racial stereotyping ways.

Remember the game where Joey Harrington and Oregon marched into Camp Randall Stadium and proceeded to burned it down? That lost, by and large, doomed any chance Wisconsin had of playing in the BCS Bowl.

I coulda picked off Harrington multiple times that day. A pick-6 or two. No doubt, Wisconsin woulda won that game with 3 (moi) in the rye.

[Fritz]

Meanwhile, all Sherman ever did in Round 1 was draft Pro Bowler J-Walk, white All-Pro “Mike” Nick Barnett and the fastest corner in Packer history in the infamous Ahmad Carroll (4.34 40 at the NFL combine; “Pro Day” times are subjective and therefore Ole Samwise Shields’ reportedly 4.30 ain’t legit).

Chronic porn addiction might be fucking with my short-term memory, but my long-term brain cells appear alright. Back in them good ole days when we all were “young and full of life and full of love,” I recall Harrell saying that he was impressed with Carroll’s extremely thick arms while he was witnessing a camp practice.

No wonder Sherman never once missed the playoffs as GM.

Ahmad "Grabby Smurf" Carroll was a lousy pick. And Joey Thomas was his second rounder that year.

One good pick Sherman had was Hunter Hillenmeyer, the linebacker. But Coach Sherman did not recognize his talent, and cut him. He went on to have a good career with Da Bears.

[Zool]

Ahmad "Grabby Smurf" Carroll was a lousy pick. And Joey Thomas was his second rounder that year.

One good pick Sherman had was Hunter Hillenmeyer, the linebacker. But Coach Sherman did not recognize his talent, and cut him. He went on to have a good career with Da Bears.

He also drafted BJ Sanders. He would have been better off with Colonel Sanders which, from the looks of him, he single handedly kept in business.

[George Cumby]

Letting Vonnie Holliday go was odd. I don't recall the circumstances but iirc, Holliday had a good, productive career after the Packers.

[run pMc]

Sherman was a decent-to-good coach but a lousy GM.
He angered the football Gods by not going for it on 4th and 1 with Ahman Green (historically a beast in short yardage) and an excellent OL vs. the Iggles.
Woulda likely gotten Favre to the SB and gotten a street named after him.

Joe Johnson, Cletidus Hunt, Ahmad Carroll, Joey Thomas, trading picks for a punter in the 3rd round and not playing him because the immortal UDFA Jon Ryan was better. 'Nuff said.

[Upnorth]

Sherman the GM is a bit of my fear with gute. Had a great team handed to him. Then it went to hell thanks to a combo of drafts and contracts. Gute may have done the same thing. Couple of likely all pros with Jenkins and dillion. Then possibly a bunch of garbage. His fa contracts of smiths are hurting us now in a cap sense like basically every Sherman contract ever. And gute hired Barry........ Just sigh


I think I need some anti depressants after this comparison.

[Joemailman]

Sherman the GM is a bit of my fear with gute. Had a great team handed to him. Then it went to hell thanks to a combo of drafts and contracts. Gute may have done the same thing. Couple of likely all pros with Jenkins and dillion. Then possibly a bunch of garbage. His fa contracts of smiths are hurting us now in a cap sense like basically every Sherman contract ever. And gute hired Barry........ Just sigh


I think I need some anti depressants after this comparison.

The fact that you came up with that comparison proves you need some anti-depressants. Are you really comparing the signings of the Smiths to the signings of Cletidus Hunt and Joe Johnson? The best players Sherman drafted were Aaron Kampman, Nick Barnett and Scott Wells. In 3 years, Gute has already surpassed that with Alexander, Jenkins, Dillon and Gary.

This year the Packers lost 1 starter (albeit a very good one) from a team that has had back to back 13-3 seasons. They have lots of up and coming young talent. What exactly are you so depressed about?

[sharpe1027]

The fact that you came up with that comparison proves you need some anti-depressants. Are you really comparing the signings of the Smiths to the signings of Cletidus Hunt and Joe Johnson? The best players Sherman drafted were Aaron Kampman, Nick Barnett and Scott Wells. In 3 years, Gute has already surpassed that with Alexander, Jenkins, Dillon and Gary.

This year the Packers lost 1 starter (albeit a very good one) from a team that has had back to back 13-3 seasons. They have lots of up and coming young talent. What exactly are you so depressed about?

We want our feelings justified. Please try again and don't let logic get in your way.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Ahmad "Grabby Smurf" Carroll was a lousy pick. And Joey Thomas was his second rounder that year.

One good pick Sherman had was Hunter Hillenmeyer, the linebacker. But Coach Sherman did not recognize his talent, and cut him. He went on to have a good career with Da Bears.

I ain’t sure where you simple-minded, outdoorsy, hill folks do your research, but us sophisticated city rats, we get our facts from this artificial intelligence app called askJeeves.

Facts check, according to Jeeves:

Hillenmeyer was a proud member of the 2003 draft class, not the 2004 class in which ole Carroll was a part of.

Joey Thomas was a 3rd rounder, not 2nd.

The 2004 Carroll draft also include Scott Wells and Corey Williams. Wells was a solid starter for the Pack for many a-years. Williams, a 6th rounder, was good enough to net the Majestic Polar Bear a 2, which the Polar Bear used on the great Brian Brohm.