Who Should Gutey Draft At #29?

[Joemailman]

Joemailman, go watch moering against West Virginia tape on YouTube. It was really bad. He was missing tackles and getting absolutely chewed up in the pass game. It was an “if Kevin king played safety” sort of tape. I can’t be down for that.

He has some holes in his game, but he's considered a 1st round prospect for a reason.

Positives: Two-year starting safety who was also a dominant special teams player for TCU. Tough, instinctive safety who displays solid ball skills. Takes proper angles to the action, displays a closing burst, and works hard defending the pass. Quick and fluid pedaling in reverse, immediately reads and diagnoses plays, and physically outmuscles receivers to defend passes.

Keeps the action in front of him, displays good awareness in coverage, and works hard. Stays with receivers laterally on crossing patterns. Solid run defender who slides off blocks and makes plays on the ball handler. Willingly takes on bigger opponents and drives through tackles.

Negatives: Gets too amped up, overcommits and occasionally gets caught out of position. Must improve his playing balance. Lacks deep speed.

Analysis: Moehrig was productive for TCU in a variety of ways and has the size as well as skill to line up as a zone or strong safety. He must polish his game, yet Moehrig has enough ability to see significant action as a rookie in the NFL.

I wouldn't put too much emphasis on one bad game. Would you evaluate Aaron Rodgers' season last year based solely on the first Tampa Bay game?

[RashanGary]

He has some holes in his game, but he's considered a 1st round prospect for a reason.


I wouldn't put too much emphasis on one bad game. Would you evaluate Aaron Rodgers' season last year based solely on the first Tampa Bay game?

True. I don’t have time or desire to watch more than a game or two of guys. My stuff I limited. But since I actually watched a handful of these guys for a full game imma put together my limited list of guys that I like off of it. Doesn’t mean it’s accurate, definitely probably less accurate than GMs who still miss half the time on early picks.

[Bretsky]

BIG TIME ARTICLE IN JS ONLINE ON ZAVEN COLLINS TODAY; the type that will fire up Packer Nation and set us up for getting a knife through our hear like we do every year when passling the ILB

Final PART

Pro Football Focus analysis: Collins was PFF’s highest-graded off-ball linebacker by a full three grading points, with his 91.1 overall grade being the only mark to eclipse 90.0 at the position in the country. He’s a dynamic athlete who projects perfectly for the modern game. His 93.7 coverage grade was the best in the country by a decent margin, as well. Collins managed to generate 16 pressures on just 51 pass-rush snaps, using his quickness and burst to get into the backfield in a hurry.

[wist43]

I would take Koramoah over Collins at this point... have to look at Collins some more, but in terms of speed, explosion, versatility, and football IQ, I like Koramoah a lot.

Finding it hard to to get excited about the draft and season though b/c of the Berry hire. That just looks like a big 'ol torpedo amid ships.

If it weren't for Berry and the likelihood that Gute won't come out of the draft with a better team in 2021 than he did going in... I think our fate will be similar to the last 2 seasons.

We desperately need DL help and WR help... doubt we get either in the draft.

[RashanGary]

I would take Koramoah over Collins at this point... have to look at Collins some more, but in terms of speed, explosion, versatility, and football IQ, I like Koramoah a lot.

Finding it hard to to get excited about the draft and season though b/c of the Berry hire. That just looks like a big 'ol torpedo amid ships.

If it weren't for Berry and the likelihood that Gute won't come out of the draft with a better team in 2021 than he did going in... I think our fate will be similar to the last 2 seasons.

We desperately need DL help and WR help... doubt we get either in the draft.

I saw that too. I thought both players looked confident and sure and flowed naturally to the ball. Neither guy took false steps. Owusu-Koramoah just did it a lot faster and with more impact once he got there. I like both but ones a playmaker and the other looked like just a solid guy.

[RashanGary]

Wist, check out Pete Werner. I thought he looked like a high impact dude for Ohio State. Has some thump and speed and uses both.

[Bretsky]

I saw that too. I thought both players looked confident and sure and flowed naturally to the ball. Neither guy took false steps. Owusu-Koramoah just did it a lot faster and with more impact once he got there. I like both but ones a playmaker and the other looked like just a solid guy.

. Was the one returning interceptions to the house the solid guy or the playmaker ? When he rushes the qb number sway better as well

[Bretsky]

Wist, check out Pete Werner. I thought he looked like a high impact dude for Ohio State. Has some thump and speed and uses both.

Ask Harvey about the Buckeyes as he is the resident OSU lover

[Bretsky]

I saw that too. I thought both players looked confident and sure and flowed naturally to the ball. Neither guy took false steps. Owusu-Koramoah just did it a lot faster and with more impact once he got there. I like both but ones a playmaker and the other looked like just a solid guy.

Not going to argue that high though; Koramoah is really really good and he has a nasty streak that I do love. I do like Collins slightly better but to be honest I'd be elated if Gutebag valued the ILB enough to take either.

[Bretsky]

INTERESTING COMMENTS ON BOTH

2. JEREMIAH OWUSU-KORAMOAH, NOTRE DAME
JOK is a decidedly different type of linebacker than Parsons. In fact, it wouldn’t be surprising if NFL teams evaluated the 215-pounder as a safety in their defenses because the position he played at Notre Dame was more akin to slot corner in the NFL than anything else. He played the overhang spot for the Irish, which meant he often had to run with slot receivers down the field. Even still, he earned coverage grades of 77.2 (2019) and 82.3 (2020) the past two seasons.

That level of coverage prowess puts him this high on the list. He boasts lightning short-area quicks and explodes into contact with an uncoachable ferocity.

Similar to Isaiah Simmons last year, JOK won’t be a plug-and-play Mike linebacker between the tackles. What he is, though, is a defense’s answer to a modern offense. His flexibility could be invaluable to a creative defensive coordinator.

[Bretsky]

Collins may not be for everyone. Not every team needs a 6-foot-4, 260-pound horse galloping in the middle of their defense. Teams that want to take advantage of his wingspan and blitzing ability will likely fall in love, though.

Collins looked like an adult playing against kids at times on tape this past year at Tulsa. His sheer physical prowess stood out like a sore thumb. He earned a 91.1 overall grade, including a 90.6 mark as a pass-rusher and 93.7 grade in coverage. While he’s not going to be your “space” linebacker, Collins has a skill set you won't find later in the draft.

[Bretsky]

9. PETE WERNER, OHIO STATE
Werner has been a mainstay for the past three years in Ohio State's defense. He has the ideal NFL body type for the position that can hold up between the tackle with ease. While Werner possesses no singular elite trait, his biggest selling point is that he can execute pretty much any role without being a liability.

You won't have to protect him with scheme in coverage or worry about him taking on blocks in the run game. That has value to defensive coordinators.

[bobblehead]

BIG TIME ARTICLE IN JS ONLINE ON ZAVEN COLLINS TODAY; the type that will fire up Packer Nation and set us up for getting a knife through our hear like we do every year when passling the ILB

Final PART

Pro Football Focus analysis: Collins was PFF’s highest-graded off-ball linebacker by a full three grading points, with his 91.1 overall grade being the only mark to eclipse 90.0 at the position in the country. He’s a dynamic athlete who projects perfectly for the modern game. His 93.7 coverage grade was the best in the country by a decent margin, as well. Collins managed to generate 16 pressures on just 51 pass-rush snaps, using his quickness and burst to get into the backfield in a hurry.

I am guessing Collins was only asked to cover in zone. Not that I'm complaining about using a player to his strengths. He has decent instincts so he probably is good at falling into his zone and filling throwing lanes. He just doesn't strike me as a solid cover guy from what I have seen. If I'm wrong and he can actually get on RBs and stick to them, I would LOVE a LB like that. The last one we had was in love with sacks and fat mike never insisted he be played at ILB where he could have been a truly impact player in the Patrick Willis mode.

[bobblehead]

I would take Koramoah over Collins at this point... have to look at Collins some more, but in terms of speed, explosion, versatility, and football IQ, I like Koramoah a lot.

Finding it hard to to get excited about the draft and season though b/c of the Berry hire. That just looks like a big 'ol torpedo amid ships.

If it weren't for Berry and the likelihood that Gute won't come out of the draft with a better team in 2021 than he did going in... I think our fate will be similar to the last 2 seasons.

We desperately need DL help and WR help... doubt we get either in the draft.

I'm with you wist, but if I could try to offer some sunshine. The NFL is a game of ebb and flow. Small undersized pursuit LBs get met with smash mouth running becoming a thing again. Blitz happy D's the destroy route running get beat with draw happy scat backs. If Berry just ran the wrong D for his time (which happens a lot, as we kept hiring guys whose time had passed) he might be the actual right guy for this current NFL. Of course in the current NFL you NEED a cover ILB if you run a 3-4.

edit: After reading further down and seeing what Bretsky wrote, I think JOK seems more of a fit to what I am talking about.

[HarveyWallbangers]

If it weren't for Berry and the likelihood that Gute won't come out of the draft with a better team in 2021 than he did going in... I think our fate will be similar to the last 2 seasons.

You mean having a team talented enough to win the Super Bowl, but whose best players let them down? Except Jaire and Bakh (who was injured).

Personally, I'll take that every year. Maybe Rodgers can finally have another playoff game like in 2010.