AR wants out?!

[Jaire]

Also he mentioned Lang and Bulaga (maybe Sitton). The point is AR had zero input. It confirms that AR has never had a voice, none. It's not that he wanted or wants control just that they lost a lot in the locker room with losing ALL of these guys. They didn't even really listen to him. As I see it Woodson was the biggest loss, who would have signed for less. Rodgers said that Peppers would have resigned for 3 million -- another name AR mentioned twice. It seems to me they lost out on a couple more runs amd a number of wasted 1st rounders because of these decisions.

Fresh blood in the FO is needed. Again the interview is AR's best imo. Lots comes out and AR handled it very well, diplomatically speaking. No passive aggressivemess. No real mud thrown: but alarms should be going off among more astute followers of GB.

[call_me_ishmael]

Yeah, I agree Jaire, that was a very damning interview and ARod came out smelling like roses IMHO.

[Joemailman]

The pressers with Gute and Rodgers reveal the problems. It's very clear nothing has changed between AR and Gute. AR's presser is highly recommended.

A few things:

1) AR was upset how GB treated CMIII, Woodson, Jordy, Cobb, Hayward, Hyde etc. Never mentioned Kumerow but did mention the WR he thought was 2nd best on camp was let go last year. I wonder who that was. He makes very good ppints here. I am 90% on AR's side.
2) AR never had any input in past. At all. So Gute is not maybe lying but means something very different by "input."
3) AR has no choice about where to go next year. Never had an offer to guarantee him 2022, nor about where he goes. (All reports are b.s.. Schefter is a lying sob. Nothing true at all.)
4) never been about money
5) AR almost retired but decided to return in the last 2 weeks after taking with former and present teamates. This explains why nobody really knew what was going to happen. He reallt only just changed his mind.
6) IMO: if Gute really did change and take AR's suggestions, AR would definitely retire in GB. But now listening to Gute (this AM) that ain't happening. (Gute should go imo, while I acknowledge he does some things ok. Some probs go back to TT esp getting rid of Woodson. This is going to be am ongoing prob with Gute.)
7) He never leaked anything nor his camp. He doesn't know where leaks came from but esp on draft day (which I assume came from NFL to drive up ratings and controversy.)

I really really recommend listening. AR spills the beans after 4 years and is 100% right imo. He just wants to help. Every other premier QB has had more say than he has got: KEY STAT . Finally, Gute clearly says (between the lines) that the only reason Cobb is coming back is for AR and what's "best for GB." HE REALLY distances himself from that decision. They are not on the same page as AR and very likelt never will be imo (and AR's).

tl;dr The FO got absolutely everything. AR nada. He just wants to play still, decided not to retire, and win: still loces the team and GB. Cobb was a concession but GB was willing to pay AR much more than Cobb will ever cost. Why they are getting it done imo.

That was an interesting PC to ay the least. https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1lDxLpnQLDvxm He really would love to end his career in Green Bay but feels that's not likely to happen. I have the sense his issue is probably more with the organization overall (Murphy and Ball) than with Gute. After all, a lot of the things he's upset about happened before Gute was GM.

[Jaire]

Agreed

It goes back before Gute but got worse with him.

[call_me_ishmael]

I think the NFL is starting to change a bit and it may be time to adapt or die. The NBA is very clearly a players league and I think you're starting to see that a bit with the NFL. Brady and ARod trying to force their way out because they have options outside of playing for their current team (eg, jeopardy, commercials, etc).

I guess I would say it was an insanely arrogant to assume that Organizations win championships in Chicago and maybe the same could be said of GB. To some extent, I think they think it will be easy to find the next star QB. Personally, I think it was complete luck that Aaron turned out to be a star. I think every single person involved would say they were surprised at how good he turned out to be. I am extremely skeptical that they will be that lucky again.

[RashanGary]

Probably the #1 point Aaron made was that he could have been used in recruiting. Other than that, he assumes you can keep everyone and you just can't.

[Harlan Huckleby]

It goes back before Gute but got worse with him.

You've accepted one side of the story as the whole truth.

It's not surprising that AR's version of events places him in a very reasonable and holy position.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Yeah, I agree Jaire, that was a very damning interview and ARod came out smelling like roses IMHO.

He is a very intelligent and persuasive person. Of course he came out smelling rosey.


BTW, I suspect I would side with many of AR's opinions if I did hear both sides.

[RashanGary]

Every decision 12 didn't appreciate ended up being a good decision if you're trying to win. This highlights the focus on winning over loyalty that the organization has.

[texaspackerbacker]

I haven't seen the Rodgers presscon, but the summary above (thanks, Jaire) details it pretty well, I guess.

I am a little more encouraged than I was before seeing that. It does appear that there is a slim hope of Rodgers finishing his career in Green Bay - he said the only thing he has ever said in the past, that he wants to do that. Why did I consistently think that through this whole mess? Because Rodgers himself never said otherwise. I also said consistently, Schefter is a God damned media lying sack of shit, and assuming Rodgers is telling the truth, God damned Schefter is exactly that - may he rot in a particularly miserable part of hell reserved for media assholes.

I also haven't heard Gutekunst's presscon, but based on the descriptions in here, it seems like he was and will continue to be doing his damnedest to drive the GOAT QB out of Green Bay. A grassroots movement of fans really needs to be started - if such doesn't already exist - to run God damned Gutekunst out of town. Yeah, he has done a few things good, but this alienating of Rodgers, and his apparent intention to continue it, getting Cobb to please Rodgers not withstanding, outweighs all the good and is just cause to tar and feather him and kick his ass OUT as GM.

[call_me_ishmael]

Tex, you need to watch it, it is really something.

Here is a ten second summary that says it all.

https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1420440081530245122

[Joemailman]

Tex, you need to watch it, it is really something.

Here is a ten second summary that says it all.

https://twitter.com/FieldYates/statu...40081530245122

Great press conference. You may not agree with Rodgers, but you'll get a sense of why this whole situation happened.

[Harlan Huckleby]

There is no evidence that other NFL teams "respect" their QB more by accepting his personnel suggestions.

The best indication is that GB is much like other teams (at worst.) AR signed a new contract with the club just two years ago after being in GB for 13 years.

[red]

Gutey said this morning that Aaron had always had his opinions, but no one's ever listened to him before

He also said, Aaron had now earned a seat at the table

Just now?

Rodgers put it all out there this time, and it wasn't a good look for Murphy, gutes and TT and maybe ball

[RashanGary]

The problem with Aarons personnel decisions is they're loser decisions. If you're gonna lose the right way, call it what it is, say right out that we’re gonna lose the right way. Stop saying you're trying to win when loyalty to old players comes above winning.