AR wants out?!

[Packers4Glory]

Or trade up so we can go 3-3 if he misses 6 games and get him back for the playoffs? Maybe Gutes didn't want to experience the Todd Hundley thing. Maybe instead of missing the playoffs with Rodgers healthy in week 16 he wanted to still be in it.

cool considering he wasn't even the backup qb. maybe he was planning for Rodgers being injury in 2021 and Love helping go 3-3...He's always thinking ahead i guess. Makes sense since they were just in the NFC championship and got ran out of the stadium and had a ton of WR issues in the deepest WR class we've seen in a long time.

[Spaulding]

Some of you don’t get it. Love was just the tip of the iceberg

1 game from a super bowl they trade a 1st & 4 for love. Draft a RB in 2nd. Then in the 3rd a shitty H-back TE. Makes sense to someone.

Dillon only made sense if you’re planning on letting Jones leave after last year... which they didn’t. This isn’t about Rodgers being a diva. It’s about a boneheaded organization that has no idea what direction is going. You were firmly in the super bowl window &
Didn’t do anything to address needs on either side of the ball.

Couple that with the previous year when they spent a 1st on Gary after spending a buttload of FA money at the position. Gary was a project that everyone knew needed time to develop. That’s not a move a team in the twilight of rodgers career makes. It’s absurd & no logical person can refute or defend those drafts.

Its just ineptitude at every level if roster building.

I don't know if the majority view all of this the same way you do. Taking emotion out of it (where of the Love pick which I think the vast majority of us weren't a fan of) the other picks make sense even if we as fans wanted other players. Any good organization has clear communication between the head coach and GM. Drafting Dillon and Deguara was in line with what evidently LeFluer wanted for the offense. His background isn't air out and so having Adams and a bunch of #3 or #4's was sufficient for the offense to click.

Resigning Jones whose an incredibly skilled player and line up equally adept at RB or WR is a weapon most teams would kill for. Almost all good teams have two good RB's these days and having Jones/Dillon provides depth and flexibility given Jones can line up as WR if that leads to mismatches.

The NFL is a chess match these days and it seems like LeFluer knows how to leverage it with the roster he has. Having a Hall of Fame QB at the helm makes it especially effective.

I'm curious, outside of the Love pick which appears to likely be a waste unless Rodgers goes down with injury or forces his way off the team, what positions should the Packers have drafted in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds last year that would have put them over the top?

Short of King getting torched, Rodgers not running the ball near the goal line, kicking a field goal on 4th instead of going for it and/or not running the ball more late in the game, I don't know that any players drafted last year would have been the difference. I don't think the roster was the issue.

The team had the talent and opportunities to win that game, it just came down to execution and miscommunication. Beyond King's given TD, were the shortcomings on Rodgers audibles or LeFluer's play calling?

[Jaire]

“We have a very good football team here,” Gutekunst said, . “And we have a great organization. We’re very committed to him. I think as the lines of communications have been open, I’m just optimistic that’s what’s best for the Green Bay Packers, and I truly believe that’s what’s best for Aaron Rodgers as well.”

“I certainly look back to last year’s draft,” Gutekunst said Thursday, “and just kind of maybe some of the communication issues we could have done better. There’s no doubt about it. The draft is an interesting thing. It can kind of unfold differently than you think it’s going to unfold, and it happens pretty fast. But certainly looking back on it, certainly where we sit today, there could have been some communication things that we did better.”

Rodgers is a very cerebral guy. He's very measured in what he says to the press and he has always been cautious about what's been released to the press.
After last year's draft, opinion pieces were written about the effect the drafting of Love would have on Rodgers, but those stories died on the vine because of the muted responses by Rodgers and his "people".
This is different. I don't believe it was an accident that this news dropped. I don't believe it was "fake news", although some of the stories branching from his "peoples" announcement about not playing for the Packers again are fake.
Gutekunst as much as acknowledged the rift in his press conference Thursday night.

I've been hearing that he doesn't have leverage to demand a trade. I think he has all the leverage in the world. He can retire. He can hold out. Rodgers doesn't need the money. By dropping this story, the Packers are on notice.
My opinion is that he has played his last down with this team. He dropped this story after telling the team he was through with them.
He's leaving on his terms. Gutekunst would like to get at least one more year out of him to allow the cap figure to stabilize and for Love to be closer to ready.
Rodgers says he's leaving now, you pick the way I go. Trade or ****storm. Your move Gutekunst.

Based on this, it sounds like they are on better terms with Rodgers this year than last. LIS the Love pick was not tgere first choice but they were not sure of Rodgers and if you remember the 2019 season, there were some real concerns.

Wait til the draft and headlines blow over. But Rodgers is 100 percent back. The only question will be 2022 whether they can further patch things up. Of course winning a Super Bowl makes all the controversy disappear.

[Packers4Glory]

You say shitty HBack, Flower says swiss army knife. I'll take his acumen on running an offense over yours. Dillon? The one area we lacked was short yardage success in 2019...great pick.

Boneheaded organization that has been to back to back NFCC games and is near the top of the league in wins going back over 2 decades.....fuck ups.

The organization is ran differently. Murphy consolidated power. all decisions run through him, so ultimately this is his mess. But don't fool yourself into thinking it's the same organization. Even under Thompson, they did well but didn't take advantage of free agency like they should have. They have never really been able to put it all together year in and year out to take advantage of I'll say is the best QB in history. The defense has always been an issue that's really never been solved. the one year he had a legit defense they won a super bowl. They haven't done Rodgers much of a service during his time. That killer instinct to go for the jugular is missing and the previous 2 drafts are just a nice summary of that.

[bobblehead]

cool considering he wasn't even the backup qb. maybe he was planning for Rodgers being injury in 2021 and Love helping go 3-3...He's always thinking ahead i guess. Makes sense since they were just in the NFC championship and got ran out of the stadium and had a ton of WR issues in the deepest WR class we've seen in a long time.

We can do this all day. I'm not really wanting to defend taking love. I hated the pick. I'm just open minded enough to see possible reasons it was done. This is a better WR draft than last year. More picks in the top 10 than last year. Chase is better than anyone last year, and many think waddle is as well.

Offer opinions, thats what a board is. But when you get all clown shoes it gets old. I'm going to walk my dogs and get ready for a hopeful trade up for Jenkins, JOK, or Barmore.

Rodgers is insane good. No argument. But the idea that the TEAM is Rodgers and no one else....tired.

[Jaire]

They did NOT move up and go "oops, what do we do now...ah hell, lets just take a QB"

No. They took the only guy left on their high board. They did it because they were not sure of Rodgers. Like Gute said, they would not do it again. And Gute takes the blame for whatever rift they had with Rodgers: "communications".

It's not simple in my opinion. But Gute definitely said (now several times) that the board did not fall their way.

[Vincenzo]

Thanks for this.
But why does Rodgers have to be such a dick about all of this? Why does he always seem to be in a “snit” or a “huff?”
Someone wrote something yesterday that’s sticking with me, yes it’s tongue in cheek but it’s certainly worth considering...it went:

“Other than give Rodgers $240M, what have they done for him? Seriously, only a quarter billion dollars? That's not near enough to buy some loyalty.”

“We have a very good football team here,” Gutekunst said, . “And we have a great organization. We’re very committed to him. I think as the lines of communications have been open, I’m just optimistic that’s what’s best for the Green Bay Packers, and I truly believe that’s what’s best for Aaron Rodgers as well.”

“I certainly look back to last year’s draft,” Gutekunst said Thursday, “and just kind of maybe some of the communication issues we could have done better. There’s no doubt about it. The draft is an interesting thing. It can kind of unfold differently than you think it’s going to unfold, and it happens pretty fast. But certainly looking back on it, certainly where we sit today, there could have been some communication things that we did better.”

Rodgers is a very cerebral guy. He's very measured in what he says to the press and he has always been cautious about what's been released to the press.
After last year's draft, opinion pieces were written about the effect the drafting of Love would have on Rodgers, but those stories died on the vine because of the muted responses by Rodgers and his "people".
This is different. I don't believe it was an accident that this news dropped. I don't believe it was "fake news", although some of the stories branching from his "peoples" announcement about not playing for the Packers again are fake.
Gutekunst as much as acknowledged the rift in his press conference Thursday night.

I've been hearing that he doesn't have leverage to demand a trade. I think he has all the leverage in the world. He can retire. He can hold out. Rodgers doesn't need the money. By dropping this story, the Packers are on notice.
My opinion is that he has played his last down with this team. He dropped this story after telling the team he was through with them.
He's leaving on his terms. Gutekunst would like to get at least one more year out of him to allow the cap figure to stabilize and for Love to be closer to ready.
Rodgers says he's leaving now, you pick the way I go. Trade or ****storm. Your move Gutekunst.

[Packers4Glory]

Based on this, it sounds like they are on better terms with Rodgers this year than last. LIS the Love pick was not tgere first choice but they were not sure of Rodgers and if you remember the 2019 season, there were some real concerns.

Wait til the draft and headlines blow over. But Rodgers is 100 percent back. The only question will be 2022 whether they can further patch things up. Of course winning a Super Bowl makes all the controversy disappear.

Rodgers was still one of the best in the league in 2019 while adapting to a brand new offense. the biggest concern at this point is injury

[Packers4Glory]

We can do this all day. I'm not really wanting to defend taking love. I hated the pick. I'm just open minded enough to see possible reasons it was done. This is a better WR draft than last year. More picks in the top 10 than last year. Chase is better than anyone last year, and many think waddle is as well.

Offer opinions, thats what a board is. But when you get all clown shoes it gets old. I'm going to walk my dogs and get ready for a hopeful trade up for Jenkins, JOK, or Barmore.

Rodgers is insane good. No argument. But the idea that the TEAM is Rodgers and no one else....tired.

I've heard nobody say this years WR class is better.

[beveaux1]

Rodgers appears to be motivated by perceived sleights.
I think it motivated him last year and it would be fitting, in his mind, to win the MVP, show how wrong the Packers were about his ability, and force them to trade him.

Maybe he stewed about this all year and this was the outcome. I do believe that he really wanted to go out with the Super Bowl, but this was the next best outcome.

[Jaire]

Rodgers was still one of the best in the league in 2019 while adapting to a brand new offense. the biggest concern at this point is injury

Rodgers admitted that he had problems in 2019. He made a complete change of his mindset in 2020. His play last year was way better and it wasn't just a a second year improvement. It was his second or third best season of his career. There were real questions.

[call_me_ishmael]

The talk of "they paid him a quarter million dollars, where's the loyalty" is tired because that is the market rate if not below it for his services. He certainly could make more if he demanded it.

https://twitter.com/zachkruse2/status/1388159811875971075

ESPN's
@AdamSchefter
says Aaron Rodgers has told some teammates he doesn't plan to return.

Hmm. That's probably a bigger step than just telling the guys running the team he doesn't want to be there, right?

Not a good sign.

I agree the Packers don't have to do anything, but I think it ends very poorly and they burn the bridge if they do that. I await the Ty Dunne article with the true story.

[call_me_ishmael]

https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/31365563

Schefter with more details.

[call_me_ishmael]

I guess I would just say that I don't understand the situation here.

If the Packers truly do intend for Rodgers to be here indefinitely and thought that after last season - then why the hell did they draft Love? The odds of flipping him for multiple first round picks is extremely low. Two second round picks in the future would be equivalent value to the #1 they used to draft him. Anyone with a high pick that needs a QB isn't going to give up a high number 1 to get Love, they'll just draft someone that is younger and under control for cheap for longer. Basically, there is no scenario where the "flip" makes sense for a value option.

If they intended for Love to be the QB of the future, that means they did not intend for Rodgers to be that guy.

Players want to play. Yes, Aaron sat for three years and apparently that was a very contentious thing. It is also a very different time now. I think best case that plan was for Love to sit two years.

The Jordan Love pick was foolish in virtually every way. There was an extremely low level of upside relative to the downside. We're seeing that manifest itself right now. The odds of this dude being a star QB like the the dude in Baltimore picked at the bottom of R1 is extremely, extremely low. Very rarely does a QB drafted this low become a franchise QB.

[sharpe1027]

Then why draft Dillon with a 2nd? You don’t spend that kind of pick on a RB when you can find guys later or UDFA? Dillon was a reach at 2 as it was.

Because his tree trunk legs.