AR wants out?!

[call_me_ishmael]

Tell me again. What does Rodgers have to be upset about? With every new contract he's gotten since the first, he's been given the highest salary in the NFL. Money shouldn't be an issue. He has a QB friendly coach that helped him to his 3rd MVP. The roster is Super Bowl contender worthy. Coach, system, teammates shouldn't be an issue. So, the Packers drafted a QB in the 1st round after 2-3 mediocre years from their 37-year-old, former MVP QB? Big friggin' deal! Suck it up, buttercup! Not a lot of situational awareness here either--since he was once in Love's shoes and it was proven the organization did the right thing drafting him. There are things I like about Rodgers. He's intelligent. He has a dry wit. Above all else, he's a great QB. However, he is also a narcissist with a giant chip on his shoulder--who seems to have a hard time getting over grudges. Kind of like the guy who preceded him.

He should be upset by:

1. The Packers not trying to win him a super bowl after 2019 NFC championship appearance (taking premium assets and allocating them towards the future e.g. choosing Jordan Love)
2. Organizational challenges resulting in spending last 10 premium picks on defenders and still having poor defensive results in post season
3. The team opting to go with year-to-year contracts instead of a giving him some security (It seems like this may be null and void though if the Packers were offering to extend him, the details of which remain to be seen)
4. Won MVP this year, not really taken care of in any way such as re-doing contract, massive raise, etc.
5. Current yearly compensation from Packers is not aligned with achievements and stature as top tier quarterback

I think the Packers are a business committed to making money year after year and remaining a playoff team year after year. I don't think they truly care about winning the Super Bowl because their actions the past 10 years haven't suggested that. Never once have they loaded up and gone for it, although they have had some very good rosters (2014-2015 for example).

[Packers4Glory]

WR went earlier because the DL & edge rushers are an extremely weak class. A couple of the WR are elite but singer of them wouldn’t have been 1st round last year. Toney & the MIN dude I’m spacing on right now.

[Vincenzo]

What a shit show. Either the ghost of TT is running things, or Rodgers is a whiny bitch. I'm going with a bit of both with most emphasis on AR being a whiny bitch.

I couldn’t agree with this more! For such an intelligent sounding man, he needs to grow up.

[HarveyWallbangers]

He should be upset by:

1. The Packers not trying to win him a super bowl after 2019 NFC championship appearance (taking premium assets and allocating them towards the future e.g. choosing Jordan Love)
2. Organizational challenges resulting in spending last 10 premium picks on defenders and still having poor defensive results in post season
3. The team opting to go with year-to-year contracts instead of a giving him some security (It seems like this may be null and void though if the Packers were offering to extend him, the details of which remain to be seen)
4. Won MVP this year, not really taken care of in any way such as re-doing contract, massive raise, etc.
5. Current yearly compensation from Packers is not aligned with achievements and stature as top tier quarterback

I think the Packers are a business committed to making money year after year and remaining a playoff team year after year. I don't think they truly care about winning the Super Bowl because their actions the past 10 years haven't suggested that. Never once have they loaded up and gone for it, although they have had some very good rosters (2014-2015 for example).

1) Any GM who didn't consider drafting a QB they liked when they had a 37-year-old QB coming off 2-3 mediocre years would be derelict in their duties. They liked Love, and so did a lot of other people. He was projected to go in the 1st round. That's where he went. Again, Rodgers is an idiot if he can't understand the reasoning for the pick--especially since he was in Love's shoes before.
2) The team has a Super Bowl contending roster now. Gute has only been GM since 2018, so what happened prior to him is utterly meaningless. Rodgers also needs to look in the mirror to understand why the Packers didn't win the Super Bowl this year. MVP Rodgers didn't play like an MVP in the biggest game of the year. He threw a bad interception at the end of the half and he had some misses. He could have thrown a better ball on the potential Adams TD.
3) He didn't have a year-to-year contract. He had FOUR years left on his contract. When Love was drafted, there was no way the Packers were getting out of the contract until at least 2022. Plus, they are offering him an extension. He's been well-compensated. Play well, he keeps the job. That's what Tom Brady did--even after the Pats drafted Jimmy G.
4) Give me a friggin' break. The dude has been given the highest salary in the league EVERY time his contract has been up since 2008. He's had his deals torn up early to give him a better contract. He had FOUR years left on his contract.
5) Money, money, money. He's been well compensated, and fairly compensated by the Packers for the entirety of his career. Should Rodgers have given money back for the 2-3 years he was mediocre before last year?

[Sparkey]

As far as Rodgers, he is 1-4 in Conference Championship games.
Favre was better at 2-2.
The best at 10-4 in Conference Championship games, Tom Brady.

Everyone starts wringing there hands when a soon to be 38 year old complains about not getting the respect he deserves. Like somehow Green Bay owes him. They have given him 5 opportunities to get to the Super Bowl. If he was such a GREAT player, why only a 1-4 record ?

And if Rodgers thinks that the Packers should do what the Buccs did for Brady, then I will agree as soon as Rodgers takes a pay cut so his cap hit is 25 million and GB can add more talent around him. As it is, my understanding is he wants to be paid more than Mahomes. If he wants that kind of $$$, there is no way to put a "better team" around him. It also means he really doesn't give a shit about championships and that leads to to me last thought. On June 1st, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out of town.

[call_me_ishmael]

1) Any GM who didn't consider drafting a QB they liked when they had a 37-year-old QB coming off 2-3 mediocre years would be derelict in their duties. They liked Love, and so did a lot of other people. He was projected to go in the 1st round. That's where he went. Again, Rodgers is an idiot if he can't understand the reasoning for the pick--especially since he was in Love's shoes before.

Rodgers was 36 at the time. I disagree and so does precedent. Did the Broncos take a QB in the first when they had Manning? Did the Buccanears with Brady? Did the Saints with Brees? Did the Steelers with Roethlisberger? Did the Cardinals with whats-his-name? Did the Chargers with Phillip Rivers? Did the Giants take a QB to sit on the bench behind Manning for a few years?

In the case of most of the above, they were playing at a much lower level than what Rodgers was. Arguably Rodgers was more injury prone, I will entertain that. And I'm not Rodgers fan, he has his own host of problems.

The stark reality is I cannot find a single situation analogous to Rodgers/Love in recent history with a top tier QB. I guess the two that come to mind are Montana -> Steve Young, and Favre -> Rodgers. One could maybe make the case of Manning -> Luck but that is a wildly different situation (Manning coming off potential career ending surgery, 1-15 record IIRC correctly, one-in-a-decade prospect in Andy Luck)

2) The team has a Super Bowl contending roster now. Gute has only been GM since 2018, so what happened prior to him is utterly meaningless. Rodgers also needs to look in the mirror to understand why the Packers didn't win the Super Bowl this year. MVP Rodgers didn't play like an MVP in the biggest game of the year. He threw a bad interception at the end of the half and he had some misses. He could have thrown a better ball on the potential Adams TD.

I agree, but would adding a dynamic #1 pick not bring them closer? They were inches away from winning. Would having another player playing instead of inactive not have helped them? It's impossible to say if it would have been enough but we know for sure that Love contributed _nothing_ in that game, and another dynamic playmaker could/should/would have. You only get so many dice roles.

3) He didn't have a year-to-year contract. He had FOUR years left on his contract. When Love was drafted, there was no way the Packers were getting out of the contract until at least 2022. Plus, they are offering him an extension. He's been well-compensated. Play well, he keeps the job. That's what Tom Brady did--even after the Pats drafted Jimmy G.

Tom Brady chose to do it. Rodgers has asked publicly for security all season long in his appearances. We shall see how it shakes out after we get a clear picture of the extension talks, etc. Right now it's all rumor to quote BF.

4) Give me a friggin' break. The dude has been given the highest salary in the league EVERY time his contract has been up since 2008. He's had his deals torn up early to give him a better contract. He had FOUR years left on his contract.
5) Money, money, money. He's been well compensated, and fairly compensated by the Packers for the entirety of his career. Should Rodgers have given money back for the 2-3 years he was mediocre before last year?

Maybe I'm naive, but I think this situation is 75% about money and 25% being annoyed. If they address the money, the rest will go away IMO.

[call_me_ishmael]

As far as Rodgers, he is 1-4 in Conference Championship games.
Favre was better at 2-2.
The best at 10-4 in Conference Championship games, Tom Brady.

Everyone starts wringing there hands when a soon to be 38 year old complains about not getting the respect he deserves. Like somehow Green Bay owes him. They have given him 5 opportunities to get to the Super Bowl. If he was such a GREAT player, why only a 1-4 record ?

And if Rodgers thinks that the Packers should do what the Buccs did for Brady, then I will agree as soon as Rodgers takes a pay cut so his cap hit is 25 million and GB can add more talent around him. As it is, my understanding is he wants to be paid more than Mahomes. If he wants that kind of $$$, there is no way to put a "better team" around him. It also means he really doesn't give a shit about championships and that leads to to me last thought. On June 1st, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out of town.

Good post, and I agree with it, but I also think the Packers did him dirty with love and _could_ have made a stronger effort to go all in a few times and maybe won another chip or two. It's not a simple or black and white situation.

[RashanGary]

I wouldn’t give Rodgers more money. He has three years left on his deal and we don’t know what he’ll be playing like at age 41. It’s horrible timing for an extension after an MVP season because he’s gonna want 45M/ year and there’s zero chance he’ll play up to that in his 40s.

Rodgers had a great year. Him and his agent want money. That’s what this most likely boils down to. The Packers have the contract in place to wait this out and make a decision a year or two from now.

I’m not mad at Rodgers but he’s probably going to have to bite the bullet here. The Packers will not budge. And shouldn’t. If Rodgers goes too nuclear, he’s just going to hurt himself in the process although the money makes it tempting right now to force some guarantees after the MVP.

[RashanGary]

Mark Murphy and the whole organization is going to have to be smart in how they word things and smart in how they lay out their goals and intentions because Rodgers camp, post MVP, is gonna push hard for 45M/year into his 40s and the Packers need to be able to politely say, we can’t offer that to a 41 year old athlete but at the same time showing they really want him now.

[run pMc]

He should be upset by:

1. The Packers not trying to win him a super bowl after 2019 NFC championship appearance (taking premium assets and allocating them towards the future e.g. choosing Jordan Love)
2. Organizational challenges resulting in spending last 10 premium picks on defenders and still having poor defensive results in post season
3. The team opting to go with year-to-year contracts instead of a giving him some security (It seems like this may be null and void though if the Packers were offering to extend him, the details of which remain to be seen)
4. Won MVP this year, not really taken care of in any way such as re-doing contract, massive raise, etc.
5. Current yearly compensation from Packers is not aligned with achievements and stature as top tier quarterback

I think the Packers are a business committed to making money year after year and remaining a playoff team year after year. I don't think they truly care about winning the Super Bowl because their actions the past 10 years haven't suggested that. Never once have they loaded up and gone for it, although they have had some very good rosters (2014-2015 for example).

I dunno, I think I'm siding with Harv on this one.
The 2018 off season they loaded up in FA and got rid of McCarthy because that soured.
The 2019 draft was about giving MLF -- not Rodgers -- some players to mold and provide depth. Organizationally, that makes some sense to me. They tried to bring in WRs (E.Sanders, W.Fuller) last year but that didn't pan out, and Funchess isn't much but he was somebody and he opted out. If he's pissed about a QB being taken, I think he needs to get some perspective. In the pros, a potential replacement is getting drafted almost yearly, why should he be different? Did he throw a fit when Brohm or BJ Coleman got drafted? If he's pissed because he wasn't warned, ok, but apologies can be given and accepted and you move on. Sheesh.

This offseason they are loading up by trying to "run it back" with essentially everyone from last year, which was apparently -- according to some NFL talent evaluators -- a very talented roster. He can complain about the D, but Pettine is gone and that might help, plus they now have a potential replacement for Kevin King and 9 more picks to find help on offense. And the 2014 team absolutely should have beaten SEA; that was a really awful & fluky ending to the game. I'd bet if you replayed the 4Q GB wins 9 out of 10 times. How many NFLCG's has Rodgers been in now?

His compensation is just fine IMO. He counts for almost a quarter of the cap. You could try giving him 50% of the cap but you'd be gutting your roster and rolling out a bunch of Tyler Lancasters. You have to draft a lot of CB/S because it's a passing league, you need at least 3-4 decent CBs & they get hurt, and some (like Ahmad Carroll or Josh Jackson) don't pan out. (Also, TT started to lose his fastball toward the end of his tenure.)

[Packers4Glory]

A lot of just “wow” with the defense of this organization & its choices.

[esoxx]

I don't think there's much doubt Aaron Rodgers has played his last down with this organization.

[Packers4Glory]

I happen to like Dillon but I don’t recall anyone talking much about him on day 2 predraft. Nobody was talking about our TE in the 3rd whatsoever. That was a huge reach

2020 draft was an unmitigated disaster on every level

[Packers4Glory]

I don't think there's much doubt Aaron Rodgers has played his last down with this organization.

Idk. There’s a lot of chess going on. I’m starting to think it’s really going that way but it’s not sealed yet.

[Packers4Glory]

Steve smith just highlighted the problem with our roster decision making. “You just resigned a guy you just know! He shouldn’t be on the depth chart! He can’t cover’! Kevin King could make a 42 yr old like me come out of retirement & go to the pro bowl. He can’t tackle & he can’t cover!”