AR wants out?!

[Jaire]

I can't jump ship, but I agree the Love pick was just a stupid move

Not jumping ship. I just think the very long run we had is over if Arod leaves. He means way more to this team (and the locker room) than people think.

If Arod leaves it will be demoralizing to the team and they won't recover til there is a new FO. I do like LaFleur but the FO is way too cocky.

Seriously, only one or two teams in the league would not prefer Rodgers at QB if it were just one year. He has been vilified for no reason really. Big Dog tweeted out his support for Rodgers which means a lot. There are not many leaders on this team since the departures of Collins and Woodson who they also did wrong and paid for it for years.

[Bretsky]

Rodgers wants more money and wants to be extended beyond 41 years old at top dollar. He’s being greedy. The Packers drafting Love is part of football. Every other teammate gets guys drafted at their position. No one ever calls them to tell them about it. If he’s so miffed that he either gets lots of money or quits, there’s not much you can do. Even if they had called the guy first, he’d still be squabbling over money right now.

Rodgers is kinda a snarky prick. But I think this is more about respect/ego than money. Although now Rodgers may want to stick it to them.

And Gutebag has some blame here IMO. And I don't think your assumption of the invisible communication ahead of moves like this is completely accurate.

[red]

its funny, reading the things on here with the homers that think the team can do no wrong and thinks the sun shines out of the organizations ass

then you spend the day reading, listening and watching everyone elses opinions in the world

almost everyone out there thinks that the packers are almost entirely responsible for this mess and that they have been fucking around rodgers for years

stephen a smith talks about how a few years back, rodgers walked into the management office and tried to give them his ideas of what he thought they needed to improve as a team. instead of just letting him gives his opinion, they told him to take a hike because they are the ones that make the decisions not him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qJbFr02GgM

[RashanGary]

Rodgers is kinda a snarky prick. But I think this is more about respect/ego than money. Although now Rodgers may want to stick it to them.

And Gutebag has some blame here IMO. And I don't think your assumption of the invisible communication ahead of moves like this is completely accurate.

There is some grey area. But after his MVP year, he has maybe one more shot to get big money and now is the absolute time to strike while the irons hot. He would have been miffed about not getting more money no matter what after the season he had. He has an arguemebt that he’s the best in the game aand has leverage.

I don’t think I’m the only fan who feels this way, but I’d rather go 6-10 and not cave to one guys demands than cave and win 11. I like watching a lot of Packer players just as much as I like watching Rodgers and will still be a fan with or without him.

[Jaire]

It's not money.

Name one team that has drafted a QB in round one with a bona fide starter. When's the last time that happened?

No. Rodgers is not snarky or a prick. He's a bit passive aggressive. Some folks don't like his personality. It's definitely not typical for a football player. But last year he changed considerably.

He's getting married and has had enough of the b.s. He wants a ring. He just wanted to retire in GB. Compare how N.O. treated Brees or Pittsburg Big Ben.

[Bretsky]

its funny, reading the things on here with the homers that think the team can do no wrong and thinks the sun shines out of the organizations ass

then you spend the day reading, listening and watching everyone elses opinions in the world

almost everyone out there thinks that the packers are almost entirely responsible for this mess and that they have been fucking around rodgers for years

stephen a smith talks about how a few years back, rodgers walked into the management office and tried to give them his ideas of what he thought they needed to improve as a team. instead of just letting him gives his opinion, they told him to take a hike because they are the ones that make the decisions not him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qJbFr02GgM

THIS IS SO TRUE

I try to take it all in and find myself in the middle on a lot of this.

[RashanGary]

It's not money.

Name one team that has drafted a QB in round one with a bona fide starter. When's the last time that happened?

No. Rodgers is not snarky or a prick. He's a bit passive aggressive. Some folks don't like his personality. It's definitely not typical for a football player. But last year he changed considerably.

He's getting married and has had enough of the b.s. He wants a ring. He just wanted to retire in GB. Compare how N.O. treated Brees or Pittsburg Big Ben.

The entire setup, teams always trying to get better by upgrading players or planning for age related drop off.... combined with players being a part of the TEAM and feeling a sense of loyalty.... unless you want to be an absolute loser and just keep all of your guys till they say they’re done, it’s gonna lead to hard feelings.

I don’t like the business. I guess I’d rather just give the guy 60 mil like he wants and never bring in competition and do the same for Nelson and Adams and just lose every year but be good people.

But these guys are trying to win and it’s just an ugly business that way.

[Bretsky]

There is some grey area. But after his MVP year, he has maybe one more shot to get big money and now is the absolute time to strike while the irons hot. He would have been miffed about not getting more money no matter what after the season he had. He has an arguemebt that he’s the best in the game aand has leverage.

I don’t think I’m the only fan who feels this way, but I’d rather go 6-10 and not cave to one guys demands than cave and win 11. I like watching a lot of Packer players just as much as I like watching Rodgers and will still be a fan with or without him.

I'll EXPAND on this

If we go 6-10 or 10-6 with no Super Bowl I'm in about the same spot at the end of the season. As long as we are moving toward a championship.

That is WHY I am ON BOARD with trading Aaron Rodgers. I lack faith in Gutebag near term and I'm fine to reload.

If Jordan Love FLOPS Gutebag might be gone; so worst case is we're a step closer to figuring this all out

[RashanGary]

We shoulda kept TJ Lang, Sitton, Nelson, Bulaga, and everyone else. Just kept them, dealt with the injuries abd stayed loyal. We should never bring in competition for Rodgers or plan for his decline. It should be one big family.

Yeah. It should.

But it’s ugly. I truly don’t like it. I understand what each side is trying to do, but it’s ugly. If you’re gonna cave for Favre or Rodgers, I think you should for Lang or Nelson too. If it’s loyalty, it’s loyalty.

And if they ever decided to do that, I’d be ok with losing.



I understand trying to win and have contingency plans, but it brings to light just how ugly the business is.

[RashanGary]

New England has been the poster child for brutal business decisions, constantly trading away or letting go it’s so called family. It’s ugly. The Packers are somewhere in the middle, trying to sign their own first but also moving on sometimes. It’s a brutal, ugly, broken world we live in. This brings that to light for sure. Business is the excuse for all sorts of things.

But like I said, I’m open for treating Rodgers like a son rather than an employee. I am. But then I’d want them all treated that way. Just be better people and lose. Oh well.

[red]

We shoulda kept TJ Lang, Sitton, Nelson, Bulaga, and everyone else. Just kept them, dealt with the injuries abd stayed loyal. We should never bring in competition for Rodgers or plan for his decline. It should be one big family.

Yeah. It should.

But it’s ugly. I truly don’t like it. I understand what each side is trying to do, but it’s ugly. If you’re gonna cave for Favre or Rodgers, I think you should for Lang or Nelson too. If it’s loyalty, it’s loyalty.

And if they ever decided to do that, I’d be ok with losing.



I understand trying to win and have contingency plans, but it brings to light just how ugly the business is.

yeah because a guard and a wr are just as important as the QB

the whole world plus arod just watched his biggest rival for GOAT go to a team that completely built him a team to win a super bowl. tampa bay went out and did the type of thing that rodgers has been begging the packers to do for years. and it worked

what did we do 2 years ago after we made it to the NFCCG? not much to improve in free agency, and nothing to help them make the next step in the draft

[RashanGary]

If it’s gonna be a business, I’d rather see it applied across the board than just give Rodgers special treatment.

But if you’re gonna be loyal, I’d want to see that across the board too, even if it meant losing with old injured guys.


The worst case is treating everyone except Rodgers like business decisions and Rodgers having special treatment. Neither my brain or heart can wrap around that one. Treat some guys like dirt and others special. I don’t like that at all. If they didn’t call Z and P when they drafted Gary, it’s not that dramatic to not call Rodgers when you draft Love. Maybe you should talk to everyone about it so they’re prepared for what could come in the draft, explain the business and your intentions so this doesn’t happen.

[Jaire]

Yes

New England is ruthless.

But Brady did not leave til he was 42.

So we are worse than New England. Far

It's not about money at all. It's that Arod has done all he can and the FO is very "old school." He's smarter than anyone ib the FO. Only guy on the team as smart as Arod is LaFleur. He's had to deal with bs way too long.

He just


wants



to


win.

How do you blame him for that?

[Bretsky]

Red you are saying what the entire national media is saying.

[RashanGary]

yeah because a guard and a wr are just as important as the QB

the whole world plus arod just watched his biggest rival for GOAT go to a team that completely built him a team to win a super bowl. tampa bay went out and did the type of thing that rodgers has been begging the packers to do for years. and it worked

what did we do 2 years ago after we made it to the NFCCG? not much to improve in free agency, and nothing to help them make the next step in the draft

Yeah, I’m not down for hero treatment. If it’s a business, it’s a business and if it’s family, it’s family. But individual locker rooms, and special treatment.... I don’t resonate with that at all. Frankly, I’m sure most of the team is like, hey, welcome to the club Erin. We’re all business decisions too. I’ll bet there’s a lot less crying in the lockerroom for 12 than you think.