AR wants out?!

[bobblehead]

Dillon was the only viable pick we made in rds 1-4 last year. Love was a huge negative in so many ways it's incalculable; Deguera was way over drafted and contributed nothing; and, the 4th rd pick was wasted to move up and get Love.

3 completely wasted high draft picks that will continue to harm the team for at least a couple more years.

No matter how you slice it, the Love and Deguera picks were moronic. Don't have any problem with the Dillon pick beyond the WR's that were available. Dillon is a good player.

Wist, you are basing things on your opinion. Now, that is what a board is for, but you have to accept the possibility you are wrong. I have read articles by beat writers I like that think Deguera is going to be a big piece of the Flower offense. They point to specific ways he was used before injury and break down plays in a way that makes you see his value. Overdrafted? You can't know what other GMs think. In a dynasty draft last year I drafted Jefferson ahead of Reagor and most of the league thought it was a mistake. Time will tell if we overdrafted him, but right now its an opinion.

Now, I agree the Love pick was bad. No way they should have made that pick....UNLESS, he was a top 10 pick on their board. Several posters have rehashed the Rodgers saga prior to that pick, so I won't get into it. In hindsight, with ARod dropping an MVP season and buying into the Flower offense....yea, it was a horrible pick.

As I said with TT many times in defending him (and I am almost back to neutral on Gutes), the proof is in the record. back to back 13-3 NFCC game seasons with homefield in the second. He can't be that big of a fuck up. I personally think he is average, but made a great HC hire and his 37 year old QB found the fountain of youth, but any number of things could yet prove that he really is a mad genius. Deguera putting in a nice injury free season could very well be one of those things.

[Packers4Glory]

Wist, you are basing things on your opinion. Now, that is what a board is for, but you have to accept the possibility you are wrong. I have read articles by beat writers I like that think Deguera is going to be a big piece of the Flower offense. They point to specific ways he was used before injury and break down plays in a way that makes you see his value. Overdrafted? You can't know what other GMs think. In a dynasty draft last year I drafted Jefferson ahead of Reagor and most of the league thought it was a mistake. Time will tell if we overdrafted him, but right now its an opinion.

Now, I agree the Love pick was bad. No way they should have made that pick....UNLESS, he was a top 10 pick on their board. Several posters have rehashed the Rodgers saga prior to that pick, so I won't get into it. In hindsight, with ARod dropping an MVP season and buying into the Flower offense....yea, it was a horrible pick.

As I said with TT many times in defending him (and I am almost back to neutral on Gutes), the proof is in the record. back to back 13-3 NFCC game seasons with homefield in the second. He can't be that big of a fuck up. I personally think he is average, but made a great HC hire and his 37 year old QB found the fountain of youth, but any number of things could yet prove that he really is a mad genius. Deguera putting in a nice injury free season could very well be one of those things.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/josiah-deguara/32004445-4770-3400-9fe2-3240dc1a9dab

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/26/draft-grades-analysts-really-hated-the-packers-2020-draft-class/

Either the Packers just produced one of the worst draft classes in recent memory or a lot of draft analysts are going to look silly in a few years. The wait begins.

https://lombardiave.com/2020/04/25/packers-2020-draft-grades/4/

https://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/story/green-bay-packers-2020-nfl-draft-grades-jordan-love-aaron-rodgers-042620

[bobblehead]

I've said I like Dillon. He looks good. I still contend that pick only made sense if you planned on moving on from Aaron Jones and use that money for other holes in your roster. I'd have rather kept Linsley if possible or found some help on the Dline.

I thought possibly they'd keep Williams and have him and Dillon be the guys in the backfield and then use the Jones money to fill holes. That's what the pick of a RB in the 2nd round told me and nearly everyone else.

Jones signed a super team friendly deal. I don't think they counted on that. I was totally against dropping huge money on Jones, but he is such a class guy who played out his deal and then took a team friendly deal I am totally on board with bringing him back. But it did throw a wrench in the Dillon plans. But in todays game most teams time share the RB load. We did last year, so Dillon will be valuable. As will Kylin Hill.

[bobblehead]

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/josiah...2-3240dc1a9dab

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/26/draft-grades-analysts-really-hated-the-packers-2020-draft-class/

Either the Packers just produced one of the worst draft classes in recent memory or a lot of draft analysts are going to look silly in a few years. The wait begins.

https://lombardiave.com/2020/04/25/packers-2020-draft-grades/4/

https://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/...rodgers-042620

Draft analysts ALWAYS look silly. And Deguera may fail. He may work out. How did draftniks have the Patriots pick in the 3rd round ranked. Asiasi? I bet it wasn't 3rd round.

[Packers4Glory]

Draft analysts ALWAYS look silly. And Deguera may fail. He may work out. How did draftniks have the Patriots pick in the 3rd round ranked. Asiasi? I bet it wasn't 3rd round.

I think they tend to look more silly when they think someone is great and they end up sucking. when your draft is universally praised or shit on is important. Guys can not live up to their draft billing and talent. That's not really on analysts. You can't predict that, or the changes teams make that may impact them.



Round 2 and 3 analysis
Mike Tanier of Bleacher Report

"The Packers appear to be rebuilding a new roster underneath their current roster. It’s an interesting strategy for a 13-3 team with a cantankerous face-of-the-franchise quarterback. And by ‘interesting,’ I do not mean ‘wise.’ Like the player. Don’t like the decision.”


WalterFootball.com: Dillon: F.; Deguara: F. “Is Bill Belichick’s dog doing the entire Green Bay draft? I don’t understand anything the Packers have done thus far. This pick is just awful. There were better tight ends available. I get that the Packers are filling a need, but they’re doing so with a prospect some teams thought would be available in the seventh round.”


Andy Benoit of SI.com: Dillon: C. “The trend right now is to not pay a running back for a second contract unless he is truly special. Aaron Jones could be deemed worthy when his rookie deal expires after this season, but it’s unlikely his sidekick, Jamaal Williams, will also be. Hence the addition of Dillon.”

Chad Reuter of NFL.com: D. “Why is the grade so low? Well, these picks did not address the team’s needs at receiver, linebacker, cornerback and offensive tackle.”


Round 1 analysis saying what I've been saying all along about this pick

Pete Prisco of CBSSports.com: D. “Terrible move by the Green Bay Packers. Aaron Rodgers told me last summer he wants to play until he’s 40. They needed a receiver. They needed defensive help. Sitting behind Rodgers will do Love well, but not going to do the Packers well. You’re on the cusp of getting to a Super Bowl, get Rodgers some help.”

Vinnie Iyer of the Sporting News: D. “In an NFC where the 49ers, Buccaneers and Saints are in win-now mode, the Packers trading up for a potential successor to Aaron Rodgers makes little sense over a top wide receiver or offensive tackle to help him extend his Super Bowl window coming off a 13-3 season.

Mike Cole of NESN: C. “In a vacuum, drafting Love — who some felt was a top-10 talent — makes sense given where Aaron Rodgers is in his career. But if the Packers feel they’re truly a 13-3 team that came within one win of a Super Bowl, which is what happened last season, it’s puzzling for them to make a pick that’s clearly made with an eye on the long-term future. There probably was a better way for them to improve in the short and long term with that pick, but maybe they just love Love.”

Steven Ruiz of For the Win: D-. “Landing with a team that already has a quarterback in place is ideal for Love, but I just can’t justify this from the Packers’ perspective. The Packers aren’t a team that has the luxury to draft for the future with Aaron Rodgers’ career winding down. Green Bay was an impact draft class away from competing for the Super Bowl.

Danny Kelly of The Ringer: C-. “I question the wisdom of this pick, at least in the short term. For starters, an already-tepid relationship between Rodgers and the team is not likely to improve with this selection, and it does little to bolster the supporting cast around the former MVP. The opportunity cost around this pick could hurt the team’s chances for contending over the next couple of years.”

Joe Tansey of Bleacher Report: C. “Instead of adding more weapons for Rodgers to work with, the Packers opted to bring in his potential successor. The move could work in the long term, but it does not help Green Bay contend with San Francisco, Minnesota and others.”

Bryan Fischer of Athlon Sports: B. “Aaron Rodgers can’t like this pick! Great long-term move, but for a team that made it to the NFC title game last season, you do wonder about the immediate need. If it pays off though, talk about being set for three decades at the most important position in the field.”

Dan Kadar of SB Nation: D+. “This pick could pay off big down the road. A quarterback on a rookie contract is almost priceless in today’s NFL. And Love is a player who needs to sit at least a year to fix some of his flaws. But with Rodgers, the Packers should push to win now.”

Tim Bielek of Cleveland.com: D+. “This grade has nothing to do with Love. It’s about not giving your 36-year-old quarterback immediate help when they were one win from paying in the Super Bowl.”

Dustin Hockensmith of pennlive.com: C+. “Love might need a year or two before he is remotely ready for primetime, but his addition still had to have been a head-scratching moment as Rodgers tuned in from home.”

Darryl Slater of NJ.com: B-. “The Packers didn’t trade up to get Love just to have him sit around a while. How soon could he replace Aaron Rodgers? That now becomes the big question in Green Bay. But you have to wonder if it’s too soon to make a pick like this. Rodgers is still playing at a high level.”

[Packers4Glory]

2020 draft report card. Sadly our biggest impact possibly was a UDFA. although I do like Runyon who might be the most impactful guy not named Dillon on this roster. Barnes tho, took over a really weak LB situation along with Martin. Neither guy are likely the answer there but I guess we'll see.

So we ranked 30th at the end of 2020 with our draft class. So that's good. we beat out Houston and Tennessee when they looked at the class and impact they made in 2020.

https://www.nfl.com/news/2020-nfl-rookie-report-card-ranking-each-team-s-class-1-to-32

"The Packers fell five points short of the eventual Super Bowl champion Buccaneers in the NFC title bout, so second-guessing Brian Gutekunst's long-view approach to this draft class is only natural. But let's be real: There was plenty of first-guessing."

[Spaulding]

2020 draft report card. Sadly our biggest impact possibly was a UDFA. although I do like Runyon who might be the most impactful guy not named Dillon on this roster. Barnes tho, took over a really weak LB situation along with Martin. Neither guy are likely the answer there but I guess we'll see.

So we ranked 30th at the end of 2020 with our draft class. So that's good. we beat out Houston and Tennessee when they looked at the class and impact they made in 2020.

https://www.nfl.com/news/2020-nfl-rookie-report-card-ranking-each-team-s-class-1-to-32

"The Packers fell five points short of the eventual Super Bowl champion Buccaneers in the NFC title bout, so second-guessing Brian Gutekunst's long-view approach to this draft class is only natural. But let's be real: There was plenty of first-guessing."

Rating a class one year later is almost always a waste of time. Many of the positions often take time (QB/WR/DT/OL) whereas others like RB/CB/LB seem to have a better chance of producing early returns.

I agree that taking a development QB and a RB in rounds 1 & 2 when you already had a HOF QB and two established solid starters at RB didn't immediately help the team last year. Maybe if they had maybe it changes the outcome of the championship game. Then again we had our chances to win regardless and didn't execute and so it doesn't follow the one missing chip roster to make it to the promised land.

If "If's and but's were candy and nuts we're all be fat and happy at the end of the day."

[call_me_ishmael]

Prediction: Aaron Rodgers will be the second highest paid quarterback in the NFL and ink a deal guaranteeing 3 more years for all intents and purposes by June 15th. He will be in camp mini camp and training camp.

Packers will trade love next off-season if he looks good. Sounds like they're bending over to Rodgers.

[Joemailman]

I can't get a sense of what Rodgers wants here. He might be so alienated that he wants out no matter what the Packers want to offer now. Or he might just be using the leverage he gained with an MVP season to get the kind of contract he wants with the Packers.

[Spaulding]

I think it's all about leverage and personally hope it's the latter. If Rodgers was truly that disgruntled I don't think Bak and Jones would have been keen to re-up and would have instead hit the open market where money is almost always more plentiful.

Up until last year I was fearful that he was starting to trend downward and the Packers front office taking insurance on a possibly needed QB transition in 2022 seemed to make good sense. However AR's MVP play last year suggests that barring injury he can still play at an elite level.

Given it's unlikely his plays falls off a cliff in 2-3 years I'd certainly be open to guaranteed money in 2021/2022/2023 if that's what it takes and showcase Love this preseason. Hoping that if he plays well and does so in mop up duty during the regular season or if AR misses a small amount of time that level of play allows us to salvage a 2nd, 3rd or 4th for him in the following offseason.

Certainly not what you want from a 1st round draft choice that you traded up to get but if that's what it took to light a fire under AR the maybe worth it to some extent.

[texaspackerbacker]

I can't get a sense of what Rodgers wants here. He might be so alienated that he wants out no matter what the Packers want to offer now. Or he might just be using the leverage he gained with an MVP season to get the kind of contract he wants with the Packers.

Maybe take him at his word. He said he wants to finish his career with the Packers; He said he wants to play well into his forties.

Some of the team leadership may also want those things; Some apparently prefer the flexibility to dump him in 1 or 2.

Therein lies the difference. I HOPE CMI is correct above, that the team is coming around to bending toward Rodgers. I and I think Rodgers would prefer more like a 5 or 6 year guarantee, but a three year guarantee would seem like a fair compromise.

As for trading Love, I have said over and over, I don't see any need for that - unless he proves to be a flop or unless we can get way more than he is worth if he seems good. Let him sit 5 years or so holding the proverbial clipboard if he looks like he is decent. He is very affordable for 4 and maybe 5 years. And for anybody whining that it "isn't fair to him", who wouldn't want to get paid well over a million a year to hold that clipboard? Myself, I'd like to see a package of plays made for him, maybe 4 or 5 a game, wild cat, TE, WR, whatever Taysom Hill can do, Love should be able to do at least as good.

[Joemailman]

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2...ron-out-issues

On Monday afternoon, NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport said on that network that the two sides have been talking over the past few weeks. Rapoport says that the Packers have offered Rodgers a “significant, long-term contract extension,” which would seemingly address one of Rodgers’ primary concerns — his future as the team’s starting quarterback.

Rapoport further noted that “the two sides have been negotiating — it’s not like they’ve been talking to themselves.” That’s a positive sign that at least Rodgers and his camp have not fully shut the door on a return to the Packers, which was the implication of the report from ESPN’s Adam Schefter that broke on the first day of the 2021 NFL Draft. Instead, Rapoport says that “there certainly has been some engagement from Rodgers’ side.”

Meanwhile, Packers players continue to take questions about the situation from the media. In an interview with Colin Cowherd of FOX Sports Monday, wide receiver Davante Adams said that he has spoken to Rodgers, noting that “a lot is still being figured out on his end.” Evidently Adams understands the frustrations Rodgers has expressed about the team, noting that he is “100% behind” his quarterback and that “a few things need to get ironed out.” However, he expressed confidence that the two sides would be able to come to an amicable arrangement: “hopefully I’ll be back on the show and we’ll be celebrating.”

[call_me_ishmael]

I wonder if the Packers were blind-sided by this when Aaron first made his feelings known.

[Joemailman]

I wonder if the Packers were blind-sided by this when Aaron first made his feelings known.

I'm guessing they would have kept Tim Boyle had they known Rodgers might not want to come back. So it must have been after that.

[Bretsky]

I'm guessing they would have kept Tim Boyle had they known Rodgers might not want to come back. So it must have been after that.

I would agree; Boyle is probably more ready to play now than Love...which is why in paper he was the backup last yr