AR wants out?!

[Joemailman]

i'm fascinated with how gutey and murphy have been able to wrap themselves in the packers flag and make this whole thing out to be rodgers vs the packers, and of course most fans have sided with the team

this is not rodgers vs the packers. rodgers has made it very clear that this is him vs the front office (gutey and murphy)

mark murphy and brain gutiwhatever are no more the green bay packers then rodgers or any other player is

would people side with rodgers more if the fake owner who owns nothing and the GM whos has only been with the team only a few years hadn't convinced the fans that they are more then just employees?

If people are siding against Rodgers, it's because he's the one trying to leave the Packers with 3 years left on his contract. Not because they have warm and fuzzy feelings about Murphy and Gute. You can hate the fact that Gute drafted Love and still have a problem with what Rodgers is doing.

[sharpe1027]

Being annoyed with Rodgers doesn't mean I'm not also annoyed with the Packers front office.

Whatever greivances people have with the Packers front office, they're winning the PR war because they took a position and aren't dragging this shit out. Rodgers chose to be "mysterious" or whatever he thinks he's doing by not addressing the issue head on. I don't know why he's doing that, but I don't respect that type of gamesmanship.

[George Cumby]

I don't like Murphy.

Jury is out on Gute.

I think the current organization is stupid, creates confusion and is fertile ground for dysfunction.

But fuck Erin Rodgers. You're under contract you whinging cunt.

[red]

If people are siding against Rodgers, it's because he's the one trying to leave the Packers with 3 years left on his contract. Not because they have warm and fuzzy feelings about Murphy and Gute. You can hate the fact that Gute drafted Love and still have a problem with what Rodgers is doing.

yet people have no problem when the team cuts a player with 3 years remaining on a contract

nfl contracts mean jack shit, and are 1 sided "contracts". they keep players from moving around but can really be broken by teams at any point with the only consequence being a cap hit

[sharpe1027]

yet people have no problem when the team cuts a player with 3 years remaining on a contract

nfl contracts mean jack shit, and are 1 sided "contracts". they keep players from moving around but can really be broken by teams at any point with the only consequence being a cap hit

The contract has outs for both parties. Being pissed at management is probably not a standard out clause. Rodgers probably should have negotiated for that.

[King Friday]

yet people have no problem when the team cuts a player with 3 years remaining on a contract

nfl contracts mean jack shit, and are 1 sided "contracts"

So what? That has nothing to do with Rodgers, who has been excessively well compensated for well over a decade.

[Sparkey]

yet people have no problem when the team cuts a player with 3 years remaining on a contract

nfl contracts mean jack shit, and are 1 sided "contracts". they keep players from moving around but can really be broken by teams at any point with the only consequence being a cap hit

That's the whole point of signing bonuses. Good players get more money upfront as opposed to spreading it out over 4/5 years.
Players get their money upfront while teams get roster flexibility.

[Sparkey]

Rodgers signed a contract, received a shitload of money and now is unhappy that he still owes the Packers his services. Big fucking waaaaaaa to him. He apparently isn't too smart since he is the one who signed and agreed to the contractual obligations that he no longer likes.

[Bretsky]

i'm fascinated with how gutey and murphy have been able to wrap themselves in the packers flag and make this whole thing out to be rodgers vs the packers, and of course most fans have sided with the team

this is not rodgers vs the packers. rodgers has made it very clear that this is him vs the front office (gutey and murphy)

mark murphy and brain gutiwhatever are no more the green bay packers then rodgers or any other player is

would people side with rodgers more if the fake owner who owns nothing and the GM whos has only been with the team only a few years hadn't convinced the fans that they are more then just employees?

I completely agree RED; and while we're at it bring Russ Ball into the triangular circus too

Listen to Rodgers over and over on ESPN

He's saying the Packer leadership is flawed, maybe broken. He's hinting players don't feel appreciated and feel like part of the team...a broken culture.

Bob Harlen, that didn't happen on his shift.

MARCIA MARCIA MARCIA........part of this is on you

And shame on the Packer management team for mentally losing their quarterback.

It's no that hard to keep the best players happy. Marica and Gutebag could take some lessons from Tampa Bay

[Bretsky]

yet people have no problem when the team cuts a player with 3 years remaining on a contract

nfl contracts mean jack shit, and are 1 sided "contracts". they keep players from moving around but can really be broken by teams at any point with the only consequence being a cap hit

SO SO TRUE

ANYBODY remember JAYRONE ELIOTT ?????? Undreafted free agent; worked his ass off. Media Favorite. Listened to his interview yesterday. Great guy; positive with no bitterness at all.

He told a story of how he was offered a contract with the Pittsuburg Steelers. Longer terms and way more $$ than what GB was offering. And Gutebag and Russ Ball got him on the phone and with some persuasion from them he decided to stay.

And then somebody he considered a friend, my man ELIOTT WOLF, called him one year later to tell him he was traded to the Indinapolis Colts. He thought is was a Wolf prank but as they talked figured out it was not. He was heartbroken, upset, and went through a dark period after that occurred.

So let's not be so fast to automatically take managements side. Sometimes players get screwed for their loyalty

[Rastak]

SO SO TRUE

ANYBODY remember JAYRONE ELIOTT ?????? Undreafted free agent; worked his ass off. Media Favorite. Listened to his interview yesterday. Great guy; positive with no bitterness at all.

He told a story of how he was offered a contract with the Pittsuburg Steelers. Longer terms and way more $$ than what GB was offering. And Gutebag and Russ Ball got him on the phone and with some persuasion from them he decided to stay.

And then somebody he considered a friend, my man ELIOTT WOLF, called him one year later to tell him he was traded to the Indinapolis Colts. He thought is was a Wolf prank but as they talked figured out it was not. He was heartbroken, upset, and went through a dark period after that occurred.

So let's not be so fast to automatically take managements side. Sometimes players get screwed for their loyalty

To be fair, contracts specify what money the player will make "IF HE MAKES THE DAMN TEAM". No make the team, no money. Kind of like you or me, we get a job. They fire you and you get shit, right? That's why the guaranteed money is so important. The players get screwed for their loyalty if their agent was either too stupid to get guarantees or the player had absolutely no leverage. Like Tank telling McDonalds "Hey assholes, I can go to Burger King if you don't hire me". It might work if there is a labor shortage. There is not in the NFL.


edit: Bretsky, after reading what you said more closely you are 100% right about the promises and trades and cuts and stuff. That is 100% bullshit. Don't lie to a guy.

[sharpe1027]

Are we seriously trying to make a case that we should be feeling sorry for players because they sometimes get cut? You realize that means they become a free agent and can shop themselves to the highest bidder?

You know what the solution to that problem is? If they don't like the terms of contract, don't sign the deal. Find another team or get a job doing something else.

[texaspackerbacker]

He doesn't owe us anything, Correct. He doesn't owe us, the fans, anything, and if he owes the Packer brass anything, it's to make them sweat and squirm.

Incorrect. He is under contract.

Correct. Has he broken that contract? If he doesn't show up next Tuesday or whenever, then yes, and he gets fined accordingly. Beyond that, nothing, though. And as for the crap about acting "professional" or "mature", that falls under the category of know-nothings presuming to know what's in his mind or believing media shitheads just trying to stir up trouble.

[sharpe1027]

Correct. Has he broken that contract? If he doesn't show up next Tuesday or whenever, then yes, and he gets fined accordingly. Beyond that, nothing, though. And as for the crap about acting "professional" or "mature", that falls under the category of know-nothings presuming to know what's in his mind or believing media shitheads just trying to stir up trouble.

No. It has nothing to do with me presuming to know what's in his mind. I even said "I don't know why he's doing that". I said zero about what the media is saying. Please try again.

[texaspackerbacker]

If the former doesn't apply to you, then the latter must. Otherwise, why would you spew such stupidity?