AR wants out?!

[Joemailman]

Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL
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Bucks are wasting Aaron Rodgers’ ownership prime.

Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL
Bucks should have drafted some first round wide receivers.

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[bobblehead]

We don't know.

And Stephen a Smith swears that Rodgers was to get out of a front office guys office and told he's just paid to play or something along those lines

Oh...if Smith reported that it must be true. That guy never says sensational stuff to get ratings.

[call_me_ishmael]

There are jobs outside the NFL. Don't like their rules, choose a different profession.

We're talking about Aaron Rodgers, though. He's already received obscene amounts of money. He's negotiated for terms he wanted. Why should I feel sorry for him exactly?

He's received an obscene amount of money compared to the average person, but relative to his peers and cohorts it is just the market rate. He hasn't earned an obscene amount by NFL quarterback standards. In fact he is almost certainly underpaid right now relative to his peers.

It's important to distinguish this because while yes he is quite rich compared to you and I, that doesn't mean he feels respected and taken care of, etc. I'm sure he feels fortunate in general but it is important to keep in mind the market.

[sharpe1027]

He's received an obscene amount of money compared to the average person, but relative to his peers and cohorts it is just the market rate. He hasn't earned an obscene amount by NFL quarterback standards. In fact he is almost certainly underpaid right now relative to his peers.

It's important to distinguish this because while yes he is quite rich compared to you and I, that doesn't mean he feels respected and taken care of, etc. I'm sure he feels fortunate in general but it is important to keep in mind the market.

I'm not disagreeing that he can try to get every penny. I'm pushing back on the notion I should feel sorry for him because nthe owners have too much power.

[texaspackerbacker]

He's received an obscene amount of money compared to the average person, but relative to his peers and cohorts it is just the market rate. He hasn't earned an obscene amount by NFL quarterback standards. In fact he is almost certainly underpaid right now relative to his peers.

It's important to distinguish this because while yes he is quite rich compared to you and I, that doesn't mean he feels respected and taken care of, etc. I'm sure he feels fortunate in general but it is important to keep in mind the market.

When you're right, you're right - it actually does occasionally happen hahahaha. Obscene by NFL QB standards would be like Joe Flacco got a few years ago, or maybe Cousins.

[Tony Oday]

Fuck AR, Hold him and never trade, break him.

[Fritz]

I'd argue that your analogy is knee-jerk and doesn't acknowledge the significant differences between the NFL and a typical profession. If an electrician is doing a poor job and causing the company to lose clients to a competitor, does that mean the company can't fire the electrian and hire someone better?

I suppose you're right that it's not a good analogy - there are significant differences between the two professions. Perhaps the most significant is that the NFL is a monopoly. It has expended capital, great amounts, to quash any possible competition, from the old AFL (which the NFL absorbed) to the WFL and anything in between, before, or after. Therefore it sets the rules, period. If Aaron Rodgers - if any NFL player - does not like the rules, there is no other league to go to.

The countervailing force is the NFLPA, which is unfortunately deeply flawed.

It's a myth to think that we live in a country in which people have a series of free choices and their fate is ultimately and entirely on them. Of course humans bear some responsibility for their own fates, but Americans do not start off with equal opportunities, period. And people who start with more resources and more opportunities generally do better than those who do not have the same advantages. Then those people who "make it" go to great lengths to argue that they made it due to their own hard work and diligence.

But that's probably for the Romper Room. To keep it in a football forum, I will say that I do not feel sorry for Aaron Rodgers at all. But I do think the NFL at the ownership level (and in the Packers' case at the upper management level) operates as if the Stephen A. Smith story is in fact the way it should be.

All I can say is that if the Packers lose Rodgers after this year and get no compensation, it will be a black mark against the organization. And Gutekunst and Murphy should be fired, should that occur.

[sharpe1027]

Fritz, no disagreements with what you said. One important thing to factor in is no player should be surprised they can be cut without warning and be out of the league. They may not believe it'll happen to them, but it's a well known risk to anyone choosing that profession.

[red]

One thing I'd like to add into this is the peter king idea that so many people (not in here) seem to like

King went on PFT and came up with this "brilliant" idea that would make everyone happy. The team and Rodgers just have to come to the understanding that Rodgers will play this year, and the team will them trade him next year

Problem solved.......

Except that is exactly what the team was wanting to do in the first place and probably the thing that triggered a rod to do all he's doing right now. It seemed very obvious looking at the cap number and how the team didn't restructure him this year, that the team wants to trade him next off-season. And Rodgers is trying to throw a wrench into those plans

So in short, the king plans is what the Packers want, and what Rodgers doesnt

[Joemailman]

https://twitter.com/TheHerd/status/1...rodgers-theory

James Jones still saying it's fixable. Says Rodgers' beef is really about the players Packers have let leave. If that's the case the timing is odd given that the Packers have spent a ton in the past year to keep guys like Clark, Bakhtiari, Aaron Jones etc.

[texaspackerbacker]

That sounds a little self-serving from one of the guys the Packers let go hahahaha.

[RashanGary]

https://twitter.com/TheHerd/status/1...rodgers-theory

James Jones still saying it's fixable. Says Rodgers' beef is really about the players Packers have let leave. If that's the case the timing is odd given that the Packers have spent a ton in the past year to keep guys like Clark, Bakhtiari, Aaron Jones etc.

I’ve been saying this for a while. He’ll still show up. He doesn’t have a lot of options. I wonder if he’ll be the same guy with so much distraction and turmoil. Time will tell.

[call_me_ishmael]

https://twitter.com/TheHerd/status/1...rodgers-theory

James Jones still saying it's fixable. Says Rodgers' beef is really about the players Packers have let leave. If that's the case the timing is odd given that the Packers have spent a ton in the past year to keep guys like Clark, Bakhtiari, Aaron Jones etc.

I just really don't believe that is the case though. I just don't buy it because it's a silly argument. Who did the Packers let go last year? I can't think of anyone, so why did this bubble to the surface now.

To me, it's very clearly about two things:

1. Picking players for the future eg. Jordan Love instead of using valuable resources to win in the present and help Aaron's legacy
2. Because of #1, they planned to move on probably after this upcoming season and he is annoyed by that and wants to just go now and start fresh with an extra year.

Ultimately, he's either getting dealt this summer (unlikely), in the Spring (more likely) or getting a long term contract that isn't super moveable (most likely). We shall see.

[Joemailman]

Comments by James Jones:

“I’ve talked to Aaron. I talk to him all the time. He’s told me that it’s not about the G.M., it’s not about new money, it’s not about the G.M. So when I hear everybody say it’s about getting the G.M. fired and these things, it’s not about that,” Jones said.

So why is Rodgers not participating in the Packers’ mandatory minicamp this week?

“His No. 1 beef is a private conversation on the phone that I can’t share with you,” Jones said.

It’s not about who you’re bringing in, I can’t control who you draft, I can’t control who you bring in in free agency. But what I do want a little input on is the guys you’re letting out of the building. You’ve got guys like Jordy Nelson who are willing to take a pay cut to play and you say, ‘No, get out of here’ anyway,” Jones said. “I think it’s the guys getting out of the building, that he’s seen walking out of the building and still wanted to be in Green Bay and still could have been contributors to winning a championship.”

I'm wondering if these comments from Jones are Rodgers' way of countering the public narrative that he wants Gute fired.

I also wonder if 2020 changed Rodgers' view on the importance of offseason work. No minicamp. No OTA's. Yet he had his best season. Maybe he's using his absence as leverage to get whatever changes he wants from the front office while missing time he feels he doesn't need anyway.

Rodgers' comments in the Kenny Mayne interview were interpreted by everybody it seems as a criticism of Gute. I'm not so sure about that. I think Rodgers' dispute might be aimed more at Murphy and Russ Ball and less at Gute. Ball is the money guy and has more influence now (promoted to Director Of Football Operations by Murphy in 2018) than he had with Thompson.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Who did the Packers let go last year?

Whitewater Jesus, T-Will and Heather Graham’s little brother, Jimmy, among others.

Pompous Bobble would argue that they weren’t material losses. As a downtrodden person, I am all for Cinderellas making it in the NFL. But when 49, 86, 82, 19, 39 all saw extended playing time, something is fucked.