What do we have in Jordan Love?

[texaspackerbacker]

Tex insists that doesn't happen. Sometimes texs way of using his observation instead of group think is a good thing. Other times hes observing things that just aren't happening. The OL being poor all of 12s career just never happened.

Right. Virtually never anyway. "The OL being poor" is a bit extreme, but not being near as good as they maybe should be, that's very accurate. The negativists praised Rodgers for not taking so long last season ...... why? what was difference? I would say better pass receivers, a better running game threat with Aaron Jones, and the misdirection, better pass routes, etc. of LaFleur. When the whiners didn't like him, it was other circumstances than his mindset. When he improved in their eyes, it was also those other factors.

[Fritz]

I would imagine this might be the case. As you say, based on age alone. Add in the eye rolls and the sometimes distant persona, and it may be that while many appreciate his skill and work ethic and what he's done for the team, they may feel that all comes at a cost.

[call_me_ishmael]

He’s a very mobile QB with a strong arm. Can “make all the throws”. That’s the comp. no one is saying he’s going to be them, just the physical measurable are there.

Could just as easily be a Mitch Trubisky comp then. Same deal, right? Mobile, big time arm, questionable decision making, etc.

[bobblehead]

Could just as easily be a Mitch Trubisky comp then. Same deal, right? Mobile, big time arm, questionable decision making, etc.

Agree. And that is where my point about coaching comes in. I have seen coaches ruin and make QBs. Oh, the Andrew Lucks and the Trevor Lawrence usually overcome it, but guys like Dilfer go from failures to Owl winners when they get put in the right system to succeed.

I actually said Trubisky is very smart going to Buffalo. He comps to Allen in a lot of ways and going to a program that got the most out of a guy like himself makes sense. I also have said that Bortles comps to many good QBs who landed in better positions. He has spent his post Jaguar time in the Shanahan offenses, first With McVay and now with MiLF.

[Zool]

Could just as easily be a Mitch Trubisky comp then. Same deal, right? Mobile, big time arm, questionable decision making, etc.

Could be a Fran Tarkinton comp too I suppose. They are trying to be optimistic. Let em have this one, because the odds of hitting a 3rd consecutive 15 year starter are nearing 0.

[texaspackerbacker]

Could just as easily be a Mitch Trubisky comp then. Same deal, right? Mobile, big time arm, questionable decision making, etc.

You're 2/3 right, and that's why I always had a higher opinion of Trubisky than most people. You just don't see the questionable decision making from Rodgers, though. It's a matter of mindset. I always dreaded that Trubisky might just wake up for the Bears and decide not to throw it to the other team so much.

Love also has those first two - mobility and supposedly big time arm. If he stays with the Packers, it's absolutely urgent that he observes Aaron Rodgers and emulates his mindset. If he ends up going elsewhere, fuck him. Let him go the way of Trubisky or numerous other guys with NFL arms and legs.

Why the Tarkenton comparison? Never mind following two 15 year + guys. He literally didn't follow anybody as a Viking.

[run pMc]

Could just as easily be a Mitch Trubisky comp then. Same deal, right? Mobile, big time arm, questionable decision making, etc.

Love had more college starts than Trubisky, who was essentially a one-year wonder. That counts for something.
Trubisky was rushed into playing too soon for the Bears IMO and while I think in the right situation he could revive his career, I think he struggles to read the field (especially under pressure) and that will hold him back.
Jordan Love has plenty college tape where he's working thru progressions, so I think there's at least hope he'll pan out to be a decent NFL starter.

I think the odds of him being HOF caliber are low simply because lightning striking 3 times in a row at QB would really be something. I suppose you could point out they've brought in other QBs since Rodgers (Brohm, Hundley, Coleman, etc.) but none were drafted as highly as Love.

[Sparkey]

He's holding the ball longer because the offensive line is doing such a bad job pass blocking? Now that's a novel theory.

We know this record. All success belongs to AR and all failure is on someone else.

[Spaulding]

We know this record. All success belongs to AR and all failure is on someone else.

Amen. If only we had #12 playing OL/WR/TE/RB/DL/LB/CB/S as well we'd be a lock to win it all every year.

[run pMc]

Novel theory? Watch just about every play just about every game. Somebody or several somebodys are in on him almost before he can turn around. 4 choices: throw it away, put if up for grabs, fall down for a sack, or use his mobility to reset or throw on the run for a completion. Obviously, I'll take the last one of those choices.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD1hU6ucXeA

I'd argue Cousins was pressured -- and hit -- more than Rodgers, and it's not really that close. Rodgers got the ball out very quick. There were a handful of plays where he rolled out, one where he threw the ball away because nobody was open, another one he hit Adams for a TD even though he had others open.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzuYg08vdlc

A little more pressure on Rodgers this game, but again -- Stafford was under more, was sacked/hit more, etc. He had one or two rollouts that were really unnecessary unless they were to influence a safety. Otherwise he had a pretty clean pocket. You don't put up nearly 40 points in back to back games without good blocking.

I can go on from here, but I don't see defenders on top of him before he can set his feet in the pocket. I do see him making lightning fast decisions and getting rid of the ball quickly -- far more quickly than in the M3 offense -- and a defense simply can't get to the QB when that happens.
I'd have to go back and chart it, but I'd bet a sizable percentage of the time -- perhaps as much as half -- he holds the ball despite having a receiver open because he's waiting for a bigger play to uncover. That's interesting as it's counter to the risk-averse no interceptions behavior. It also makes it look like he's under more pressure than he is. If you hold the ball for 3-4 seconds a decent pass rush should get to you.

[Upnorth]

Run pmc, great post

[run pMc]

There is no doubt in my mind that Rodgers played great last year and deserved the MVP.

My point is that the narrative that it was in spite of the OL or that the OL is mediocre is a myth. There was a game last year (I can't remember which -- maybe vs. CHI on 11/29) where Rodgers had a completely clean jersey and joked about it in the press conference after the game. He wasn't even hit. 20 sacks in a season is pretty good.

Now, Jordan Love in year 2 or 3 won't be that good. He might never be that good. But he might if the coaches bring him along in a smart way and Love has the brains and talent.

[RashanGary]

There is no doubt in my mind that Rodgers played great last year and deserved the MVP.

My point is that the narrative that it was in spite of the OL or that the OL is mediocre is a myth. There was a game last year (I can't remember which -- maybe vs. CHI on 11/29) where Rodgers had a completely clean jersey and joked about it in the press conference after the game. He wasn't even hit. 20 sacks in a season is pretty good.

Now, Jordan Love in year 2 or 3 won't be that good. He might never be that good. But he might if the coaches bring him along in a smart way and Love has the brains and talent.

A lot of uncertainty with what love is or could be. Same for Stokes, and Lazard and MVS and others. Tonyan too while we’re at it. As a fan I like to hope for the best. I’d rather be let down every year than never get my hopes up at all.

If I had to bet on Love, I would bet he busts. Odds are not in his favor to be great. But I still cross my fingers for that chance that he is great. I don’t rule it out.

[Joemailman]

A lot of uncertainty with what love is or could be. Same for Stokes, and Lazard and MVS and others. Tonyan too while we’re at it. As a fan I like to hope for the best. I’d rather be let down every year than never get my hopes up at all.

If I had to bet on Love, I would bet he busts. Odds are not in his favor to be great. But I still cross my fingers for that chance that he is great. I don’t rule it out.

There's plenty of room between those 2 extremes. Above average starters like Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford come to mind. Eli Manning won titles because the Giants had great defenses and ran the ball. Matt Stafford didn't because the Lions didn't. I think Gute is putting together the kind of team that could win a title without Love being the Packers next HOF QB. But he has to be more than Don Majkowski.

[sharpe1027]

There's plenty of room between those 2 extremes. Above average starters like Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford come to mind. Eli Manning won titles because the Giants had great defenses and ran the ball. Matt Stafford didn't because the Lions didn't. I think Gute is putting together the kind of team that could win a title without Love being the Packers next HOF QB. But he has to be more than Don Majkowski.

Layoff the Majik man. I like to blame the injury so I can have fond memories of that awesome season.