Would the whole Rodgers drama have played out differently if TT was still alive?

[Spaulding]

All the recent happenings since Friday with Rodgers got me to thinking about the timing of it and his feelings directly at Gute (if the rumors are true).

Would AR be acting the same if TT was still alive? I have to believe that although he wasn't thrilled about the lack of WR's being drafted in TT's last few years as GM that he was forever appreciative of TT's loyalty to him as the starting QB during the Favre drama.

If this was really brewing since last year's draft you think that the organization and players would know of his deep discontent given how much time they spend together during the season. I firmly believe that nobody can hide hate for that long that the level of dischord would haven't gotten leaked out well prior to the draft.

This makes me think that while TT was still involved in the organization that AR was loyal to him and still playing the dutiful soldier and it was only after TT's passing that he felt he no longer owed the front office anything (not that he necessarily should anyways other than honoring his contract since it's a brutal business) and lit up the fire.

Any of this make sense or am I reaching here?

[bobblehead]

I am specifically trained in data analysis and pattern recognition. Its a specific expertise of mine. I'm going to share some mind blowing insight with everyone...a pattern my keen eye has caught.

Irreconcilable rift with his own parents. Irreconcilable rift with Fat Mike McCarthy. Irreconcilable rift with Brian Gutenkunst. Reported power struggle and rift with MiLF.

I'm just saying...he is sure unfortunate to constantly be surrounded with people who are so stupid while he is so brilliant. And in the 2 wrongs category you can add some guys like Greg Jennings in there.

[Badgerinmaine]

We will probably never know the answer for certain--and if Rodgers ever directly addresses the issue, it probably won't be until after he's retired.
That said, I can see why that might seem like a possibility. We see cases all the time in sports where the new regime doesn't feel much connection or commitment to the coaches or players chosen by the last regime. Heck, I've seen it in the regular workplace, too. If you got hired by the old boss, the new boss sometimes thinks "Well, that's sure not who *I* would have picked". Lindy Infante's days as head coach of the Packers were pretty much numbered when Ron Wolf took over, for example.
Usually people look at this from the perspective of the new management. You put an interesting spin on it by looking at it from the employee's point of view. And it's understandable that Rodgers, who fell so much more than expected on his draft night, might feel a special connection and loyalty to TT's regime he doesn't have now. But I think he still would have been unhappy with the Love pick no matter who did it; it fits his pattern.

[Spaulding]

We will probably never know the answer for certain--and if Rodgers ever directly addresses the issue, it probably won't be until after he's retired.
That said, I can see why that might seem like a possibility. We see cases all the time in sports where the new regime doesn't feel much connection or commitment to the coaches or players chosen by the last regime. Heck, I've seen it in the regular workplace, too. If you got hired by the old boss, the new boss sometimes thinks "Well, that's sure not who *I* would have picked". Lindy Infante's days as head coach of the Packers were pretty much numbered when Ron Wolf took over, for example.
Usually people look at this from the perspective of the new management. You put an interesting spin on it by looking at it from the employee's point of view. And it's understandable that Rodgers, who fell so much more than expected on his draft night, might feel a special connection and loyalty to TT's regime he doesn't have now. But I think he still would have been unhappy with the Love pick no matter who did it; it fits his pattern.

Right, I certainly get why he's be annoyed with the Love pick, especially trading up to get him and don't blame him as it doesn't help the team now nor does it help his chances at another super bowl.

However, since draft picks don't pan out all the time, I would think that Gute's increased focus on using free agency to supplement the roster would have made him happy as would have Gute's focus on resigning key players that resulted in a 13-3 record the past two years. It's not like they are saving the money for years after Rodgers is gone.

I would think taking a developmental QB even in the first round is far cheaper than signing a good ($8mil - $10mil/year) backup like the Saints or other teams have done for roster depth. I thought Love counted on average just over $3mil/year which then free's up that difference in money for a good starter where the first round draft choice probably wouldn't be any better than that in the early years and likely worse than a proven FA.

[Badgerinmaine]

Oh, I do think he's happy about that. He clearly loves having Marcedes Lewis there in particular and says so often. And I think you make some good arguments here about salary, too. But I was trying to deal with the original premise--"would he have reacted differently if TT was the one making these moves?" One thing I do think would be different: it's hard to imagine any quotes surfacing where he'd call for the man who drafted him to be fired.

[sharpe1027]

It's not all that hard to imagine.

[King Friday]

If he can disown his parents, he could disown Thompson.

[texaspackerbacker]

The shit people put out about this keeps getting weirder and weirder.

As for the title of the thread, naw, I doubt that woulda made any difference. I never heard of any particular liking or respect Rodgers had for Ted Thompson, and Thompson certainly wasn't a paragon of competence even before he went all ...... (I better not say the name I was gonna put here, lest I get accused of the evil p word).

Of those four "rifts" cited, about the only one confirmed or sure would be the parents thing, and nobody in here has a clue who was at fault there. A lot of celebrity type people split with their parents for whatever reason - BFD. Actually only a BFD to you know who, the God damned shitheads of the media.

[hoosier]

The hypothetical, if I understand correctly, is not if TT were still alive but if he were still GM of the Packers. But the question you're asking seems also to force us to forget everything we know about TT's reign, and in particular about how, after building a SB winner through astute drafting and some good fortune, he was later unable to keep the team stocked with talent as the inevitable turnover due to FA, injuries, declining skills, etc. When I think of TT the Packer GM, I am thinking of those two stories, so very different and yet completely intertwined. So I can't do what you're asking me to do, which is to imagine a 2021 Packer organization that is both headed by Ted Thompson and still managing to be competitive fifteen years into his tenure. If such a thing were conceivable, I guess I would say that TT would probably have handled things a little differently--his success in Green Bay coincided perfectly with the arrival of Rodgers, after all--and so Rodgers probably would not be acting the way he is.

[George Cumby]

If he can disown his parents, he could disown Thompson.

Did those bridges ever get mended?

[Sparkey]

I am specifically trained in data analysis and pattern recognition. Its a specific expertise of mine. I'm going to share some mind blowing insight with everyone...a pattern my keen eye has caught.

Irreconcilable rift with his own parents. Irreconcilable rift with Fat Mike McCarthy. Irreconcilable rift with Brian Gutenkunst. Reported power struggle and rift with MiLF.

I'm just saying...he is sure unfortunate to constantly be surrounded with people who are so stupid while he is so brilliant. And in the 2 wrongs category you can add some guys like Greg Jennings in there.

Sounds like someone with an inflated sense of self.

[smuggler]

I vote no, because methinks A-Rod is playing in GB in 2021.

[George Cumby]

I am specifically trained in data analysis and pattern recognition. Its a specific expertise of mine. I'm going to share some mind blowing insight with everyone...a pattern my keen eye has caught.

Irreconcilable rift with his own parents. Irreconcilable rift with Fat Mike McCarthy. Irreconcilable rift with Brian Gutenkunst. Reported power struggle and rift with MiLF.

I'm just saying...he is sure unfortunate to constantly be surrounded with people who are so stupid while he is so brilliant. And in the 2 wrongs category you can add some guys like Greg Jennings in there.

If everyone around you is an asshole, maybe you're the asshole.

[QBME]

All the recent happenings since Friday with Rodgers got me to thinking about the timing of it and his feelings directly at Gute (if the rumors are true).

Would AR be acting the same if TT was still alive? I have to believe that although he wasn't thrilled about the lack of WR's being drafted in TT's last few years as GM that he was forever appreciative of TT's loyalty to him as the starting QB during the Favre drama.

If this was really brewing since last year's draft you think that the organization and players would know of his deep discontent given how much time they spend together during the season. I firmly believe that nobody can hide hate for that long that the level of dischord would haven't gotten leaked out well prior to the draft.

This makes me think that while TT was still involved in the organization that AR was loyal to him and still playing the dutiful soldier and it was only after TT's passing that he felt he no longer owed the front office anything (not that he necessarily should anyways other than honoring his contract since it's a brutal business) and lit up the fire.

Any of this make sense or am I reaching here?

He dead, he gone.
Seriously?
Today is today.

[hoosier]

Today is yesterday. Or it will be in about...two hours.