Official 2021 OTA/Mini-camp Thread

[Upnorth]

Apparently the longest completion of the day went to bortles RULEZ!!!(throws maltov cocktail) after underrated wr gets behind (no suprise) kevin king.

[Joemailman]

Jordan Love doing a lot of check downs so far. I wouldn't place much emphasis on it though. 1st team offense right now has 3rd string WR's going against 1st string DB's. Can't be a lot of guys open.

[Joemailman]

Apparently the longest completion of the day went to bortles RULEZ!!!(throws maltov cocktail) after underrated wr gets behind (no suprise) kevin king.

Bailey Gaither (the guy who looks like Jordy Nelson's kid brother) had 2 big catches today. Might be a guy to watch in training camp.

[bobblehead]

Jordan Love doing a lot of check downs so far. I wouldn't place much emphasis on it though. 1st team offense right now has 3rd string WR's going against 1st string DB's. Can't be a lot of guys open.

If I were coaching him I would insist that he make 4 reads and hit the 4th. Its what he needs to be able to do. Ingrain it.

[run pMc]

If I were coaching him I would insist that he make 4 reads and hit the 4th. Its what he needs to be able to do. Ingrain it.

Agree. IIRC Rodgers was doing a lot of checkdowns in OTAs last year, so this just might be what they're coaching. Wouldn't be surprised if it was.
Last week the wind was pretty bad so (accurate) deep throws to rookie WRs were unlikely. I'm confident Love's arm is strong enough to make all the throws, it's about his fundamentals and what's between his ears that matters IMO.

[texaspackerbacker]

All the complaints about Rodgers holding the ball too long, and now we have people advocating Love get in the habit of carefully analyzing, going through several reads, then throwing hahahaha - can you have it both ways? I like the extreme care thing. If going through those reads ends up making Love anything like Rodgers for not throwing interceptions, then get him ingrained in that. If he starts, which he almost certainly will in the preseason and hopefully won't for 4 or 5 or more years in the regular season, he likely will get the same massive pass rush that Rodgers has always had. That's when his ability to read and adjust on the run will be tested.

[Joemailman]

All the complaints about Rodgers holding the ball too long, and now we have people advocating Love get in the habit of carefully analyzing, going through several reads, then throwing hahahaha - can you have it both ways? I like the extreme care thing. If going through those reads ends up making Love anything like Rodgers for not throwing interceptions, then get him ingrained in that. If he starts, which he almost certainly will in the preseason and hopefully won't for 4 or 5 or more years in the regular season, he likely will get the same massive pass rush that Rodgers has always had. That's when his ability to read and adjust on the run will be tested.

The problem people have had with Rodgers in the past is that he holds onto the ball for 4-5 seconds looking for the big play. That's not what we're talking about here. It doesn't take a QB 5 seconds to go through his progressions. Last year when Rodgers did run the offense as designed and got rid of the ball quicker, he had the best season of his career. That's a fact, no matter what you've deluded yourself into thinking.

[Upnorth]

The problem people have had with Rodgers in the past is that he holds onto the ball for 4-5 seconds looking for the big play. That's not what we're talking about here. It doesn't take a QB 5 seconds to go through his progressions. Last year when Rodgers did run the offense as designed and got rid of the ball quicker, he had the best season of his career. That's a fact, no matter what you've deluded yourself into thinking.

Some and do take 4 to 5 seconds to go through there progression. They are not in the league.

Going through progressions is completely different than extending a play.

[texaspackerbacker]

Clearly Rodgers getting rid of the ball quicker last season had a lot to do with the better quality of WRs and TE getting open as well as a little bit to do with better scheme and pass routes. Compare Aaron Rodgers to basically anybody you want to compare him to, and Rodgers comes out way ahead. I absolutely would not want him to do anything other than what he has always done - escaping the rush, even if that, heaven forbid, takes 5 seconds or longer hahahaha, and having probably the greatest performance level in the most important category of all, interceptions compared to TD passes.

[sharpe1027]

Clearly Rodgers getting rid of the ball quicker last season had a lot to do with the better quality of WRs and TE getting open as well as a little bit to do with better scheme and pass routes. Compare Aaron Rodgers to basically anybody you want to compare him to, and Rodgers comes out way ahead. I absolutely would not want him to do anything other than what he has always done - escaping the rush, even if that, heaven forbid, takes 5 seconds or longer hahahaha, and having probably the greatest performance level in the most important category of all, interceptions compared to TD passes.

Rodgers disagrees with your opinion that he shouldn't change how he plays. Last year, he changed how he played. The proof is in the results.

[bobblehead]

All the complaints about Rodgers holding the ball too long, and now we have people advocating Love get in the habit of carefully analyzing, going through several reads, then throwing hahahaha - can you have it both ways? I like the extreme care thing. If going through those reads ends up making Love anything like Rodgers for not throwing interceptions, then get him ingrained in that. If he starts, which he almost certainly will in the preseason and hopefully won't for 4 or 5 or more years in the regular season, he likely will get the same massive pass rush that Rodgers has always had. That's when his ability to read and adjust on the run will be tested.

There is a difference between making 3 reads then unloading all within 3 seconds vs. making 4 reads, not liking them and taking a sack.

[run pMc]

Clearly Rodgers getting rid of the ball quicker last season had a lot to do with the better quality of WRs and TE getting open as well as a little bit to do with better scheme and pass routes. Compare Aaron Rodgers to basically anybody you want to compare him to, and Rodgers comes out way ahead. I absolutely would not want him to do anything other than what he has always done - escaping the rush, even if that, heaven forbid, takes 5 seconds or longer hahahaha, and having probably the greatest performance level in the most important category of all, interceptions compared to TD passes.

I understand the point you're making, and while others have mentioned the "waiting for a big play" issue, I'd also say that holding the ball too long was an issue in the M3 offense. MLF seems to have schemed ways to get people open, i.e., without having to rely on individual receiver talent beating the corner.
Rodgers got the ball out much faster last year and has in general with MLF, so I agree on the better scheme argument.
I'm not reading too much into Love taking his time -- it's early offseason stuff, and if anything it's a time to get the fundamentals and good habits down. He'll get faster as he gets more comfortable with it. He won't have the luxury of time in games, although I think the OL is better than you do.
It took Rodgers time to learn, it will take Jordan Love time too.

[Joemailman]

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I'm sure he won't be the only receiver returning.

[run pMc]

I'm sure he won't be the only receiver returning.

Agree. https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/p...ly-to-join-him

[texaspackerbacker]

I understand the point you're making, and while others have mentioned the "waiting for a big play" issue, I'd also say that holding the ball too long was an issue in the M3 offense. MLF seems to have schemed ways to get people open, i.e., without having to rely on individual receiver talent beating the corner.
Rodgers got the ball out much faster last year and has in general with MLF, so I agree on the better scheme argument.
I'm not reading too much into Love taking his time -- it's early offseason stuff, and if anything it's a time to get the fundamentals and good habits down. He'll get faster as he gets more comfortable with it. He won't have the luxury of time in games, although I think the OL is better than you do.
It took Rodgers time to learn, it will take Jordan Love time too.

I don't think it took Rodgers time to learn so much as it took LaFleur time to realize he needed to modify his scheme to accomodate Rodgers' way of doing things. I'd say 80-90% of the "change" - that evil word - was, thankfully, LaFleur, not Rodgers. And what change there was from Rodgers was the result of better route running either because of better Receiver personnel or better designed pass routes. Somebody made the kinda weird comment about Rodgers holding the ball and getting sacked ...... is that really happening? Hell no. If anything, he's sacked less than most QBs, certainly less than most QBs who get the pass rush pressure he consistently gets. And of course, he does that without throwing interceptions far better than anybody in the history of football. THAT more than any other single factor is why he is the GOAT.

Remember several years ago, there was ignorant speculation that Rodgers couldn't throw the deep ball anymore? like his arm was weakening with age or something? Clearly, when there got back to being receivers open deep, he threw the deep ball. Yeah, partly LaFleur's scheming makes that possible, but having receivers like MVS, Lazard, and Tonyan helped too. Davante Adams suddenly got better when those guys came along and developed.

Some of that would apply with Love also, (hopefully 4-5 years or more from now), but regardless of how high his ceiling is - which nobody knows as of now, it's very doubtful he will ever be quite like Rodgers.