Monday is a Big Day

[Bretsky]

I still think there's a question as to whether as to whether he wants to force a trade, or whether he wants to make the Packers front office grovel and give him the contract he wants.

It might be a mistake to assume this is all about Gutekunst. Ball is the money guy and he reports to Murphy, not Gutekunst.

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[texaspackerbacker]

Wow, I am surprised he said anything about it. Now more than ever I don't think he's coming back.

In response to "are you demanding a trade"



So, yes.

Does anybody see a "yes" there? I sure as hell don't.

Basically, the show predictably was a big nothing.

[sharpe1027]

Does anybody see a "yes" there? I sure as hell don't.

Basically, the show predictably was a big nothing.

Oooh...pick me, pick me! He seems to be saying plans were in place for him to be gone, but he played so well those plans were messed up. Based on the context, perhaps he had reason to think the Packers planned to trade him this year? He's also saying he can't stand the people in the organization.

He wants to be gone or he wants a better contract than he's getting offered. At this point, the contact negotiations may be at an impasse.. The main question is will the Packers play hardball and force him to stay.

[RashanGary]

I’m a little torn. Because if you sell out on being loyal to the players, you lose. Period. Some of the cut throat moves like Sitton, Lang, Nelson, Favre, Bulaga were the best moves the Packers made to stay competitive in a salary cap league.

I understand him not liking it though.

Like I’ve said before, and I think I was on this vein of thinking before Aaron spoke, if you’re going all in to do it the right way, then you don’t just stay loyal to Rodgers, but to all the great Packers. I think we could have one of the most interested, excited and big hearted fan bases in the NFL with constant warm 8-8 to 9-7 seasons.

It’s a cold business just like most businesses. I’ve grown to really hate cold, American culture. I just don’t know how you live in a win/succeed culture and just be the one guy who flips to loyalty and losing. It’s anti American. It’s counter culture. Rodgers is counter culture. I am. I like him.

I would love to see it but i understand the organization being loyal to success over people. Being loyal to people first is a quick recipe for not having a organization at all. Sad, but this is what we live in. The pressure to survive in the business world overtakes the heart. This is America.

But like I said, if the Packers went all in on loyalty, I think we’d become a cult favorite and an anti American oasis where people come first and it would be it’s own success.

[RashanGary]

Rodgers wants togetherness and loyalty in a business that has none. That’s what this is about. Love was the final slap in the face because it shows they’ll move on from you without blinking, just like with Favre and Nelson. Once he gets in camp he gets invested in the coaches and team but right now all he sees is the cold business side and he has no love for it.

On a side note, he looks frail. Very healthy but frail as a gladiator athlete . In the business world, Love was a great pick because Rodgers is aging and now frail for football.

[sharpe1027]

Rashan, I get what you're saying but I don't see it as that simple.

There will be decisions that put the needs of the TEAM ahead of the individual. Cold? I guess, but putting I'd be pissed if I was on a team that put individuals ahead of winning. That would be a slap in my face as a competitor.

[King Friday]

Rodgers wants togetherness and loyalty in a business that has none. That’s what this is about. Love was the final slap in the face because it shows they’ll move on from you without blinking, just like with Favre and Nelson. Once he gets in camp he gets invested in the coaches and team but right now all he sees is the cold business side and he has no love for it.

On a side note, he looks frail. Very healthy but frail as a gladiator athlete . In the business world, Love was a great pick because Rodgers is aging and now frail for football.

Rodgers is crazy if he thinks the Packers should dole out huge contracts to keep people around past their prime because people matter. Any NFL team that is run that way will be at the bottom of the food barrel. The salary cap forces hard decisions, and the front office has to be detached to some extent in order to make the best decisions. If the front office is best friends with the players, your team probably is horrible. Loyalty only goes so far in a league where everyone is out to get the most that they can.

The Packers are not trying to move on from Rodgers. That is where he is entirely wrong. I don't like the Love pick, but it wasn't made because the Packers wanted to jettison Rodgers. It was insurance, which is only reasonable. If Rodgers thinks his MVP season was something the team regrets, he's a moron.

[RashanGary]

Rashan, I get what you're saying but I don't see it as that simple.

There will be decisions that put the needs of the TEAM ahead of the individual. Cold? I guess, but putting I'd be pissed if I was on a team that put individuals ahead of winning. That would be a slap in my face as a competitor.

Rodgers views the team as the people and you seem to view it as the organization. I see Rodgers view point as more natural and human. I see yours as cultural conditioning.

[RashanGary]

Rashan, I get what you're saying but I don't see it as that simple.

There will be decisions that put the needs of the TEAM ahead of the individual. Cold? I guess, but putting I'd be pissed if I was on a team that put individuals ahead of winning. That would be a slap in my face as a competitor.

This is a topic that seems to make peoples heads explode. Rodgers is all about the team and the guys in the lockerroom. He’s one of those guys. But society can only view it in two lights; either it’s loyalty to the organization or selfishness. In the minds of most people it can’t fall into a different category, a different definition of people and team.

Rodgers is all about the people and team. He’s not being selfish. He’s wanting more depth from a cold business.

[RashanGary]

The organization is doing whatever they have to to win

Rodgers wants them to stay loyal to the guys in the lockerroom


This is Aaron Rodgers team ideals vs American winning culture. Rodgers will lose. These people are brainwashed.

[Joemailman]

The organization is doing whatever they have to to win

Rodgers wants them to stay loyal to the guys in the lockerroom


This is Aaron Rodgers team ideals vs American winning culture. Rodgers will lose. These people are brainwashed.

So does Rodgers think it was wrong for the Packers to draft him? Was that disloyalty to Brett Favre in his opinion? Or is Rodgers perhaps selective about which players loyalty is owed to?

[bobblehead]

Sometimes people forget what really makes an organization. History is important. But the people make an organization and the business. Sometimes that is forgotten. not by the organization, not by the building, but by the people.

KENNY

"ARE YOU DEMMANDING A TRADE"

Rodgers...it's never been about the draft pick. I love the fan base, coaching staff, and my teammates. But it's kind of about the philosopy...character....a lot was put into place last year...and the wrench was when I won the MVP......that was an odd comment

Not really. ARod is a chippy MFer. He felt slighted simply by them drafting Love. That comment tells me more than anything else he has said. He doesn't want to be anywhere but GB. All of this is sticking it to the upper echelon for daring to draft Love. He will be in camp. The only possible "wrench" now is if they are annoyed enough at him to actually trade him for a haul. Right now he is sticking it to them. The only wrench left is if they call his bluff and move on.

[RashanGary]

So does Rodgers think it was wrong for the Packers to draft him? Was that disloyalty to Brett Favre in his opinion? Or is Rodgers perhaps selective about which players loyalty is owed to?

I think it all ties together as a cold business and he doesn’t like the whole operation. But again, I’m still kind of pro Gute because I understand both sides. It’s not good vs evil. It’s people working within a system that promotes hard business decisions and hurt feelings. It’s good people and good people in a business environment.

The lack of loyalty has everything to do with making smart team decisions. But it doesn’t mean it feels good to be in it. So both sides make sense to me here.

[bobblehead]

I'll also add this. If the reported deals I have seen floated are real. 3 firsts and a player. Then I hope they deal him. I think that is simply too good to pass up on a 37 almost 38 year old at any position.

[RashanGary]

I’ve quit jobs and been homeless because I didn’t like, “business” so I understand Rodgers. But in hindsight, I realize there’s nothing anyone can do to alleviate the harshness of the way business operates.

Would it be nice to be in a tribe where we all work together and everything is shared and everything is for the good of the team?? Sure. It sure would. That’s in human nature to want togetherness that way. This society just doesn’t work that way so there’s always some sadness and pain.

If we want to make it, we have to be thick skinned. There’s a balance there too though. Skin so thick that you can’t feel a heartbeat is a waste of life too. Living in this society is the toughest kind of balancing act to find peace and prosperity.