IF AROD DOES NOT PLAY FOR GREEN BAY NEXT YEAR

[run pMc]

I think they're playing a game of chicken with him. He's under contract and will start getting fined next week. I suspect Rodgers holds out until training camp, but if the situation is not resolved by then and he doesn't show up for training camp I could see them taking calls and moving him for a good offer.
That would certainly have to be 2 1sts and a player or two. Not sure about the cap ramifications, I expect they'd eat a good chunk of money but at least they'd get something for it.

They don't want to trade him in the conference, because they don't want him playing against them. If you have trouble understanding that, imagine trading him to the Bears, Vikings, or 49ers. Same thing when they traded Bert Farve to NYJ...made him wait an extra year to get to MIN and stick it to Ted.

[texaspackerbacker]

I think Rodgers knows right now what he's gonna do, and that is take the extension that the Packers have apparently offered him. I think he's just making Gutekunst sweat a little bit before coming in. When will that be? He certainly can afford the fines, and he probably does not need the training camp regimen. I expect him to sign an extension and come in just before or maybe a little bit into training camp.

The poll says "want", not "expect". I absolutely do not want to see Rodgers playing for anybody else. The Packers would be down the drain for the foreseeable future without him regardless of draft picks or lesser QBs gotten in trade, so I'd rather just watch him hosting Jeopardy or becoming a near-GOAT as a game commentator. Romo is damn good; Rodgers would be better.

[bobblehead]

I have to imagine the reason he is still here is because there is nothing even close to that available. We shall see. I just don't see how that math works out for any team. Homeboy ain't 21 year old Trevor Lawrence.

No he is not. He is the reigning MVP rather than the kid who still might flop.

[call_me_ishmael]

No he is not. He is the reigning MVP rather than the kid who still might flop.

38 years old tho. We can agree to disagree. I just don't see. What team would give up those assets for likely 3 years? I get the known entity factor and it is important. Kinda makes you wonder if a team threw 5 or more R1s at Indy in 2012 for Andy Luck.

[Upnorth]

38 years old tho. We can agree to disagree. I just don't see. What team would give up those assets for likely 3 years? I get the known entity factor and it is important. Kinda makes you wonder if a team threw 5 or more R1s at Indy in 2012 for Andy Luck.

You misspelled john hadl

[texaspackerbacker]

He also misspelled "38". It's actually 37 until December.

[Bretsky]

If AROD is not going to show, nothing is gained by letting him rot at home.

It's best for the Packers...assuming reports of 3 first round draft picks plus are correct, to take the best offer they get.

And if that means a NFC with AROD kicks are ass.....well.......look in the mirror management. This isn't all on AROD. He has plenty of faults and is partially to blame. But management has also done a shit job making him feel appreciated over the years.

And I'd best we don't know plenty of it

[Fritz]

I read something recently that really bothered me - that Gutekunst and the Packers seem willing to "wait out" Aaron Rodgers.

IF that is indeed the case, that is the worst mistake they could possibly make. Playing hardball with one of the greatest QB's of all time who is stubborn and passive/aggressive would be the stupidest kind of management move.

You either get on your knees and give Rodgers the BJ he seems to require - give him a contract extension, apologize publicly for not including him in personnel conversations that directly impact him, promise him more input and that you will listen.

OR you put out trade feelers and milk everything you can get for the guy, and move on.

What you don't do is play hardball. Really, how many of you think Rodgers would not sit out the year, as a "retired" player, work out like a maniac, then sign with the Vikings (or the Lions or whomever) the following year? He is that stubborn. He is that confident in his ability to succeed in such a maneuver. And in that scenario, the Packers get exactly zero return on the greatest Packer QB to play the game. Zero.

The only other way it could play out is the way it did with Brent Favre: Rodgers comes back at the very end of camp, grudgingly, and then goes out of his way to change calls at the line, shows obvious disrespect to the team, sows discord, makes indirectly critical remarks all the time, and generally fucks up the year.

So - if Gutekunst really is stupid enough to think he can just play 1930's boss and bully his player into submission, then he's a bigger idiot than any of us thinks and really needs to be fired. And if Murphy is going along with this, if indeed this is what's happening, then he needs to go pronto for allowing it.

I hope my interpretation of the line I read is incorrect - it was from the Acme Packing Company site - but it did seem to indicate that Gutekunst is happy to let Rodgers twist in the wind until he comes to his senses and comes back.

[wist43]

I read something recently that really bothered me - that Gutekunst and the Packers seem willing to "wait out" Aaron Rodgers.

IF that is indeed the case, that is the worst mistake they could possibly make. Playing hardball with one of the greatest QB's of all time who is stubborn and passive/aggressive would be the stupidest kind of management move.

You either get on your knees and give Rodgers the BJ he seems to require - give him a contract extension, apologize publicly for not including him in personnel conversations that directly impact him, promise him more input and that you will listen.

OR you put out trade feelers and milk everything you can get for the guy, and move on.

What you don't do is play hardball. Really, how many of you think Rodgers would not sit out the year, as a "retired" player, work out like a maniac, then sign with the Vikings (or the Lions or whomever) the following year? He is that stubborn. He is that confident in his ability to succeed in such a maneuver. And in that scenario, the Packers get exactly zero return on the greatest Packer QB to play the game. Zero.

The only other way it could play out is the way it did with Brent Favre: Rodgers comes back at the very end of camp, grudgingly, and then goes out of his way to change calls at the line, shows obvious disrespect to the team, sows discord, makes indirectly critical remarks all the time, and generally fucks up the year.

So - if Gutekunst really is stupid enough to think he can just play 1930's boss and bully his player into submission, then he's a bigger idiot than any of us thinks and really needs to be fired. And if Murphy is going along with this, if indeed this is what's happening, then he needs to go pronto for allowing it.

I hope my interpretation of the line I read is incorrect - it was from the Acme Packing Company site - but it did seem to indicate that Gutekunst is happy to let Rodgers twist in the wind until he comes to his senses and comes back.

If they let him sit out rather than kiss his ass - he's done in GB. Period. They offered him a contract in a ham-handed way, and have pretty much mangled their handling of everything related to Rodgers and public relations.

So moving forward the only thing that matters is Rodgers value. The manner in which he is ultimately dealt is simply a matter of getting maximum return. Don't think Rodger's would lose much value if he sat a year.

Rodgers shares some blame, but most of this mess is on Gute.

[Bretsky]

I read something recently that really bothered me - that Gutekunst and the Packers seem willing to "wait out" Aaron Rodgers.

IF that is indeed the case, that is the worst mistake they could possibly make. e comes to his senses and comes back.

Wake up Fritzy

This is exactly what Gutebag the groupies are doing.

[red]

And if Murphy is going along with this, if indeed this is what's happening, then he needs to go pronto for allowing it.

you're talking about a guy who refused to replace his GM that clearly had major health problems and just turned a blind eye towards his head coach who had mailed it in and with in his office getting happy endings while the offence was having game plan meeting. and has now sat back and let this latest mess between the most important member of the franchise and his GM turn into this cluster fuck

murphy has done a great job with the development around the stadium making sure the team will always make lots of money, but he seems loath to actually make any decision having to do with the actual team

[RashanGary]

Rodgers will come back. This is the equivalent of calling in after the manager pissed you off. It’s called a spite call. People do it all of the time and then come back to work. R-E-L-A-X . 12 spite called but he’ll come in with a chip on his shoulder after his middle finger to management, he’ll get plugged into the team and get focused on the season. And he’ll be razor sharp and committed to his legacy and another chance at a championship, a pretty good chance too.

[King Friday]

I read something recently that really bothered me - that Gutekunst and the Packers seem willing to "wait out" Aaron Rodgers.

IF that is indeed the case, that is the worst mistake they could possibly make. Playing hardball with one of the greatest QB's of all time who is stubborn and passive/aggressive would be the stupidest kind of management move.

You either get on your knees and give Rodgers the BJ he seems to require - give him a contract extension, apologize publicly for not including him in personnel conversations that directly impact him, promise him more input and that you will listen.

OR you put out trade feelers and milk everything you can get for the guy, and move on.

What you don't do is play hardball. Really, how many of you think Rodgers would not sit out the year, as a "retired" player, work out like a maniac, then sign with the Vikings (or the Lions or whomever) the following year? He is that stubborn. He is that confident in his ability to succeed in such a maneuver. And in that scenario, the Packers get exactly zero return on the greatest Packer QB to play the game. Zero.

The only other way it could play out is the way it did with Brent Favre: Rodgers comes back at the very end of camp, grudgingly, and then goes out of his way to change calls at the line, shows obvious disrespect to the team, sows discord, makes indirectly critical remarks all the time, and generally fucks up the year.

So - if Gutekunst really is stupid enough to think he can just play 1930's boss and bully his player into submission, then he's a bigger idiot than any of us thinks and really needs to be fired. And if Murphy is going along with this, if indeed this is what's happening, then he needs to go pronto for allowing it.

I hope my interpretation of the line I read is incorrect - it was from the Acme Packing Company site - but it did seem to indicate that Gutekunst is happy to let Rodgers twist in the wind until he comes to his senses and comes back.

I completely disagree. Hardball is exactly what you play in this situation. If Rodgers sits out a year, he loses one of the few seasons left in his prime, as well as tens of millions of dollars from his NFL contract. He'll also lose additional tens of millions from endorsements, because of he ain't playing, he's a lousy person to endorse something. Offhand, I'd say Rodgers probably has $75-$100M to lose by sitting out a year.

This isn't like the Carson Palmer situation. The Bengals had a horrible team. They weren't coming off two consecutive trips to the conference title game. Carson stood only to GAIN by leaving Cincinnati. That isn't the case here.

[red]

What does playing hardball with your most important player and treating him like just a cog in the machine do for our value in the eyes of future free agents?

Davante has already said it might have an Impact on him staying, will any other player ever come to this team again if they think the front office just treats the players as paid slaves?

We could become the Siberia of the NFL again like we use to be

[King Friday]

What does playing hardball with your most important player and treating him like just a cog in the machine do for our value in the eyes of future free agents?

Davante has already said it might have an Impact on him staying, will any other player ever come to this team again if they think the front office just treats the players as paid slaves?

We could become the Siberia of the NFL again like we use to be

Highly unlikely. Adams may leave because he would look for top dollar if Rodgers isn't around. I don't think Adams would leave because he feels like a slave.